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Pastor Andy Stanley says the Bible is too hard to defend
Creation Ministries International ^ | 9-22-16 | Lita Cosner and Scott Gillis

Posted on 09/22/2016 10:45:55 AM PDT by fishtank

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To: Mr. Douglas

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Show us where the Bible describes a “new covenant.”

Post the text.


241 posted on 09/25/2016 6:40:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
There is no “New Covenant” mentioned in the scriptures.

Yes there is.

בְּרִית חֲדָשָׁה means "new convenant" and is found in the Book of Jeremiah

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah, Catholic chapter thirty one, Protestant verses thirty one to thirty seven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness mine

242 posted on 09/25/2016 6:55:02 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Mr. Douglas

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The “Body of Believers” is Yisrael.

It is Kehilla in Hebrew, and was translated to Ekklesia in Greek which both mean assembly, not church or synagogue.

It has existed for 6000 years.

There is no “New Testament body.”


243 posted on 09/25/2016 6:59:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: af_vet_1981

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Nice try!

The new covenant in Jeremiah is plainly stated to be the old covenant renewed in sinless blood with Torah written on our hearts.

There is no new covenant.
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244 posted on 09/25/2016 7:02:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
The new covenant in Jeremiah ...

And thus you admit it is there before you gainsay it.

245 posted on 09/25/2016 7:14:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
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>> [31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: <<
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246 posted on 09/25/2016 7:14:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

There is that “new covenant” in your own post that you testified did not exist.


247 posted on 09/25/2016 7:16:12 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

I didn’t “gainsay” anything.

Restoring the old covenant in the promised sinless blood is not in any way the false “New Covenant” constantly harped upon by the churchians.

It is with the very same people as was the old covenant.

Those that refuse to sojourn with Israel will remain lost.
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248 posted on 09/25/2016 7:19:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Those that refuse to sojourn with Israel will remain lost.

Are you living in the land of Israel now, or saving up your money to go ?

249 posted on 09/25/2016 7:20:23 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

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And just how does it differ from the ‘old’ covenant?


250 posted on 09/25/2016 7:20:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: af_vet_1981

Yisrael is not living in the Land of Israel.

Yisrael is spread across the world.


251 posted on 09/25/2016 7:22:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Yisrael is spread across the world.

Are your parents Jewish ?

252 posted on 09/25/2016 7:26:27 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: editor-surveyor
And just how does it differ from the ‘old’ covenant?

Thus you concede it is new. Read about it in Jeremiah. It is straightforward.

253 posted on 09/25/2016 7:27:27 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

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I suspect that very few “Jews” are a part of Yisrael.

There will be a few though.
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254 posted on 09/25/2016 7:28:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: af_vet_1981

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No, I do not concede that it is new, it is the old covenant renewed.
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255 posted on 09/25/2016 7:29:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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No, I do not concede that it is new, it is the old covenant renewed.

No sale; Hebrew has a different form (house) for renewed.

256 posted on 09/25/2016 7:32:34 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: editor-surveyor
I suspect that very few “Jews” are a part of Yisrael.

There will be a few though.

Are you involved with Holocaust Denial ?

257 posted on 09/25/2016 7:34:12 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Are you sober?

Your last few questions are bizzare at best, and certainly not relevent to the subject at hand.

Are you trying to dissimulate too?

The renewed covenant is declared to be “with the house of Judah, and with the house of Israel.

How to you think that relates to the imaginary “church” that the nicolaitan churchians rant about?

Where is any covenant with any “church?”

Obviously nowhere!
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258 posted on 09/25/2016 7:41:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Completely sober; your posts about Israel and Jewish identity are strange; I wonder what type of sect you associate with; there are some very weird ones out there. You are a Gentile correct ?


259 posted on 09/25/2016 8:02:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

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I have posted nothing about “Jewish identity,” whatever that may be.

I have restricted my posts to exactly what the word of God plainly says.

I do not associate with any sect, and only pay attention to those that preach the pure word un-embellished.

The word of God destroys churchianity completely.

There absolutely is no “church” with which Yehova holds any covenant.

Dissimulation is not productive, neither is anger nor acrimony. Off the wall accusations are from the looney bin.
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260 posted on 09/25/2016 8:15:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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