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To: vladimir998; HLPhat
Where are the Word’s instructions for determining inspiration and the canonicity articulated in the New Testament?

I have to get up real early tomorrow so won't have a chance to get you all the proof texts on this. God in Scripture very clearly spells out how to know whether or not a prophet is speaking for Him, which gives us the guideline for determining what is Divine inspiration versus someone presuming to speak for the Lord. We have the Apostles of Jesus verifying their writings as from God and Holy Spirit inspired and Jesus authorized them.

For canonicity, we have Jesus' own words quoting Scripture and verifying its authority (how many time is "it is written" or "thus says the Lord" in the Bible). He also spelled out the triparate canon by speaking of "Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms" as well as showing the span of divine Scripture of the Old Testament (Matthew 23:35).

474 posted on 09/14/2016 9:17:12 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; Elsie

I think Elsie may have “it is written” already formatted for posting. It’s an extensive listing.


475 posted on 09/14/2016 9:22:51 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: boatbums

“I have to get up real early tomorrow so won’t have a chance to get you all the proof texts on this.”

Nope. Sleep in. I already know there is not a single verse that “instructions for determining inspiration and the canonicity in the New Testament?”

There are none. Oh, there are verses from Paul about what inspired scripture is or does. But there is not one verse about DETERMINING inspiration and canonicity. None. St. Paul never says, nor does any other New Testament writer, “these following books are inspired or canonical and here’s how you determine that”.

“God in Scripture very clearly spells out how to know whether or not a prophet is speaking for Him, which gives us the guideline for determining what is Divine inspiration versus someone presuming to speak for the Lord. We have the Apostles of Jesus verifying their writings as from God and Holy Spirit inspired and Jesus authorized them.”

You’re failing again. I said IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. And I said nothing about prophets speaking. I said “the Word’s instructions for determining inspiration and the canonicity articulated in the New Testament?” ARTICULATED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT for DETERMINING inspiration and canonicity. There are no such verses. Never have been in the New Testament. Never will be.

“For canonicity, we have Jesus’ own words quoting Scripture and verifying its authority (how many time is “it is written” or “thus says the Lord” in the Bible).”

You’re failing again. That’s Jesus talking about the OLD TESTAMENT. I’m asking very clearly about the NEW TESTAMENT. Also, your idea fails inevitable because Jesus did not quote every book of the Old Testament. The following books, for instance were never directly quoted in the New Testament: Judges, Ruth, Ezra, Esther, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Lamentations, Obadiah, Jonah, Zephaniah. Now I found that list online and I know it’s less than perfect because Jesus did talk about the sign of Jonah, for instance, but still no direct “it is written” quotes. But, even if there are issues with the list, still there are OT books Jesus never sourced or quoted in His ministry that we know of.

“He also spelled out the triparate canon by speaking of “Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms” as well as showing the span of divine Scripture of the Old Testament (Matthew 23:35).”

Yes, but if you look around you’ll see that some people do not believe that Jesus there was referring to many of the historical books of the OT. So your example still fails.

And remember, none of what you presented is about the NT: “Where are the Word’s instructions for determining inspiration and the canonicity articulated in the New Testament?” I should have worded that better so that it read this way:

Where in the New Testament are the Word’s instructions for determining inspiration and the canonicity articulated for New Testament books?

The answer is no such verses exist. We know that Peter clearly referred to Paul’s letters. We know Paul wrote about inspiration. But there is nothing in the NT that gives us a list of NT books that are inspired and canonical and an explanation of how that is to be determined or was determined. The simple fact is the Church came to that conclusion with the Holy Spirit’s guidance. Sola scriptura doesn’t help in that regard at all.


478 posted on 09/15/2016 6:41:16 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: boatbums; vladimir998

John 8:58

58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

NIV

479 posted on 09/15/2016 7:16:10 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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