**So no one prayed to Jesus? After all, he did die. He also rose from the dead, but He did in fact die by all earthly standards of what death is.**
I said (this time with caps to help you):“None of them (including the Son of God), WHILE LIVING THIS MORTAL LIFE, ever prayed to someone that had died.”
Now you can answer it, instead of getting out the balloon, like you seem to have done here:
**No. I saw no reason to answer your question because it literally made no sense to me. It sounded like something someone out of his head would ask. Also, I KNEW from what you’ve written here I had no reason to think you knew much about Christianity, or scripture, or logic, or anything else.**
I know this: You will do whatever it takes to avoid answering questions that CAN be answered, but would expose your misunderstanding of the scriptures.
Example 1: You insist on praying to souls (other than the Christ) that have died, when there no scripture showing Jesus Christ (while he lived as a mortal man), or anyone else, doing that.
Example 2: You insist on the partaking of the ‘mass’ as being truth, but cannot (or will not) tell me if once is enough; or why once is not enough.
Example 3: You say that “Free Republic the vladimir998” is **not even an English sentence. That’s not even a sensible fragment.**, but that ‘God the Son’ is.
The reason you feel that “Free Republic the vladimir998’ is not sensible is because Free Republic and you are not equals, and Free Republic is not a description of you because you are not a website.
But you ARE from somewhere. I assume that you live in the US, since you have the flag flying on your home page. But the United States is always preceded by ‘the’ because it is plural, so let’s use a random state:
‘Nebraska the vladimir998’ doesn’t work, does it, because you are not a state. But, you could be FROM, or OF, Nebraska.
The Son of God is FROM, or OF, God. The scriptures testify that to be the case.
**I would say the skill level displayed in your posts indicate a public school education.**
I attended public schools, but they were just an escape from work. Before, or by the time, I was 12 yrs old, I had learned to operate many types of farm equipment, fly single engine aircraft, drive cars and trucks, operate a acetylene torch and an arc welder (made my first minibike at 12), and raise various livestock.
But I have never flown a hot air balloon.......
**And there I think I can see a clear example of how you know little or nothing about Christianity, or scripture, or logic, or anything else. What you’re doing - and you might or might not know it - is reducing profound things to caricature. And then you ask questions based on the caricature you created. How intellectually honest is that?**
“I said (this time with caps to help you):“None of them (including the Son of God), WHILE LIVING THIS MORTAL LIFE, ever prayed to someone that had died.””
Except Jesus died and people prayed to Him.
“I know this: You will do whatever it takes to avoid answering questions that CAN be answered, but would expose your misunderstanding of the scriptures.”
No. It’s nothing more than your presumption that I misunderstand scripture.
“Example 1: You insist on praying to souls (other than the Christ) that have died, when there no scripture showing Jesus Christ (while he lived as a mortal man), or anyone else, doing that.”
That’s not an example of any misunderstanding of scripture on MY part. Tell me the verse I am misunderstanding. List it.
“Example 2: You insist on the partaking of the ‘mass’ as being truth, but cannot (or will not) tell me if once is enough; or why once is not enough.”
Again, that is not a misunderstanding of scripture on MY part. Your question literally makes no sense. There is no number attached to the Mass. Christ wanted it done; we do it. There is no “enough” or too much in the worship of God. Again, I am not misunderstanding scripture in the least. I’m willing to bet it will be revealed that it is YOU who misunderstands scripture. What you will most likely do is present one issue as if it is another when it isn’t.
“Example 3: You say that “Free Republic the vladimir998” is **not even an English sentence. That’s not even a sensible fragment.**, but that ‘God the Son’ is.”
False. I never said that “God the Son” is either a fragment of a sentence or a sentence. It is simply a logical, and an entirely scripturally supported, reference to Jesus who is God, the Son of God. And, again, I pointed out to you 1 John 4:15 which says “If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God.” So, if it’s okay to say “Jesus is the Son of God” then how can it be wrong to say “God the Son” in reference to the same Divine Person? Are you also going to claim it is wrong to say “God the Father”? I guess saying “God, the Father” (1 Cor 8:6) or “God and Father” (Ephesians 1:3; 4:6; 1 peter 1:3) or “O LORD, our father” (Isaiah 63:16) is wrong in your view?
“The reason you feel that “Free Republic the vladimir998’ is not sensible is because Free Republic and you are not equals, and Free Republic is not a description of you because you are not a website.”
Fair enough. But Jesus IS God. And Jesus IS the Son of God. And the reason why your “Free Republic the vladimir998” attempt at a logical point makes no sense you’ll see in a moment.
“But you ARE from somewhere. I assume that you live in the US, since you have the flag flying on your home page. But the United States is always preceded by ‘the’ because it is plural,”
No. The article “The” is actually attached to the first word of the name - “United”. That’s why we say The Federal Republic of Germany. There’s no plural at all in that name. None. The Union of South Africa. Same thing - no plural at all. United, Union, Federal are not plural words although all suggest more than one thing brought together. It is an adjective and therefore normally requires an article in a title. Much of this is convention:
“There are many other country names that are habitually referred to with “the”, such as Congo, Gambia, Yemen, Lebanon, Sudan, Netherlands, Philippines and Bahamas.
“But according to several authoritative sources, such as the CIA World Factbook, the Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World and the US Department of State, only two countries, The Bahamas and The Gambia, should officially be referred to with the article.
“The two Congos are officially Democratic Republic of the Congo and Republic of the Congo. And the longer, official name for Netherlands is Kingdom of the Netherlands.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844
Now, back to our regularly scheduled Zuriel post:
“so let’s use a random state: ‘Nebraska the vladimir998’ doesn’t work, does it, because you are not a state. But, you could be FROM, or OF, Nebraska.”
Your example is illogical Let me explain why. Charles de Gaulle famously once said, “I am France” and everyone knew exactly what he meant and didn’t mean. He was not claiming that he was a geographical place. He was claiming he had all the authority and support to speak for an entire nation.
Now, if we take your ‘Nebraska’ and ‘vladimir998’ analogy and actually make the proper analogy rather than the incorrect one you used it would be this: “vladimir998 the Nebraskan”. You mistakenly used “Nebraska”. Nebraska is a place, not a person. Jesus is a Person. God is a Person. The Son is a Person. The Father is a Person. The Holy Spirit is a Person. Thus, the correct analogy must be “PERSON the PERSON”.
Examples:
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Jesus the Son
vladimir998 the Nebraskan
Zuriel the Illini (or whatever would work for a person from Illinois).
If you were a king we could apply a fitting title:
Ethelred the Unready, Philip the Fair, William the Conqueror, Charles the Bald, etc. “Unready”, “Fair”, “Conqueror” etc., has an unstated accompanying term: “man” or “king”. Thus, you might be:
Zuriel the Freeper or Zuriel the Poster or Zuriel the Sleepy (which is still about a person) because it’s implied that it’s Zuriel the Sleepy person, etc. You get the idea I’m sure.
This is called the English language and that’s how it works. If we were using German we would routinely say Gottessohn or Sohn Gottes - because that’s how they do it in German. But we’re using English.
“The Son of God is FROM, or OF, God. The scriptures testify that to be the case.”
Begotten and sharing the same divine substance, yes.
“I attended public schools,”
Right.
” but they were just an escape from work.”
Okiedokie.
“Before, or by the time, I was 12 yrs old, I had learned to operate many types of farm equipment, fly single engine aircraft, drive cars and trucks, operate a acetylene torch and an arc welder (made my first minibike at 12), and raise various livestock.”
Great. But I don’t know if those accomplishments are really working for you here on this issue. I’m just saying.. .
“But I have never flown a hot air balloon.......”
You’re sending up plenty of hot air online. ;) Have a good night!