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To: vladimir998
You are thoroughly institutionalized! Jesus did not establish an institution. Men did that and continue to do so. Your chosen religion, catholiciism, happens to be one of the oldest, but it is not His Ekklesia. There are members of His Ekklesia in that religious institution, out of ignorance, but not members of HIS Ekklesia because of their membership in that institution.

Finally, we see the root of your beliefs ... conflation of the religious institutions with THE Ekklesia / Body of Believers in Jesus. Catholiciism is not Christianity, no matter how often you shout or insult or condescend otherwise in defending your institution.

340 posted on 09/13/2016 4:28:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

“You are thoroughly institutionalized!”

No, but you might want to consider the option. and you might want to consider the Church too.

“Jesus did not establish an institution.”

Actually, He did. The Church has - from the beginning - a visible hierarchy, definitive teachings, meetings of leadership when necessary, raised money for those in need, communication between leaders and members, written records and memorials, a common worship service, a moral code, and so on. That’s an institution. There’s no other way to look it at. Also, what Jesus built was to supersede the ancient Jewish religion in scope and admission openness but retain many of the practices, teachings and qualities of Judaism. Ancient Judaism could not be called anything less than institutional.

“Men did that and continue to do so. Your chosen religion, catholiciism, happens to be one of the oldest, but it is not His Ekklesia.”

Actually, Catholicism is the oldest Christian Church and is His Ekklesia. And most certainly no Protestant sect is.

“There are members of His Ekklesia in that religious institution, out of ignorance, but not members of HIS Ekklesia because of their membership in that institution.”

No. There’s exactly one Church, one Ekklesia. Oh, we can say there are many Churches within the Church, but they are all part of the Catholic Church. Next come the Eastern Orthodox for they have more of what God originally gave. Next comes Protestants. Lastly come pseudo-Christians. The last three are not IN the Church. They are merely affiliated with it in some sense.

“Finally, we see the root of your beliefs ... conflation of the religious institutions with THE Ekklesia / Body of Believers in Jesus.”

No. Not conflated. Subsists:

816 “The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter’s pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him.”

The Second Vatican Council’s Decree on Ecumenism explains: “For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God.”

Thus, you were wrong. Apparently thinking like a carnal person and not like a Christian you apparently could only see conflation. https://www.ewtn.com/library/Doctrine/subsistit.htm

“Catholiciism is not Christianity, no matter how often you shout or insult or condescend otherwise in defending your institution.”

No, the Catholic faith is Christianity. That in no way denies that Protestant sects can do some good - of course they can. It just admits what is ultimately indisputable. Christ only established one Church and no puny sect or series of puny latter-day sects is that Church.


344 posted on 09/13/2016 6:47:26 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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