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To: .45 Long Colt

I refer you to Catholic Answers webpage “Is Puratory in the Bible?” written by Tim Staples a Baptist convert.


212 posted on 08/20/2016 9:53:15 PM PDT by amihow (l8)
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To: amihow

I know all about Tim Staples and don’t care what he thinks or says. I stand by my comment and I’ll ask YOU again: If Jesus paid all sin debt as Scripture explicitly teaches, why is purgatory necessary? Don’t look to Tim Staples or your priests, you will stand in judgment by yourself. If you merely accept what they say you had better know that they are right. On what basis would you make that decision? I can point to explicit Scripture that contradicts the very reason for the existence of Purgatory. You must decide if you trust your soul in the hands of Tim Staples and Rome or do you trust the plain Word of God? These are rhetorical questions for you to ponder. I don’t expect an answer. I don’t ask you to trust me or to join anything. I want nothing. I would simply ask you to be a Berean and search the Scriptures for yourself to prove what you believe for yourself.

Clearly Purgatory isn’t needed. And this is no small thing because the very idea of Purgatory undermines the work of Christ. Purgatory is a lie, a deadly deception. You will never be good enough to pay for any amount of your sin. If Christ didn’t pay your sin debt in full you are eternally doomed—and that goes for me and every single son of Adam.

Time and again Rome asks her adherents to trust her teaching in the face of explicit Scripture to the contrary. I don’t know why anyone would put trust in doctrines that have, at the very best, vague biblical support, particularly when the ideas stand in contradiction to clear biblical teaching. When I look at Rome it helps me to understand the situation Jeremiah described in chapter 5 when he wrote, “The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule on their own authority; And My people love it so! But what will you do at the end of it?” (Jeremiah 5:31) The ruling authorities of Rome lead their people astray and the people love it so.


214 posted on 08/20/2016 10:18:45 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: amihow
I refer you to Catholic Answers webpage “Is Puratory in the Bible?” written by Tim Staples a Baptist convert.

Can't you show; from the bible itself??

236 posted on 08/21/2016 4:55:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: amihow
I refer you to Catholic Answers webpage “Is Puratory in the Bible?” written by Tim Staples a Baptist convert.

wouldn't this be ex-cathedra as well?

237 posted on 08/21/2016 4:55:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: amihow

I’ve read staples’ apologetics on various topics. He needs to go back to school.


241 posted on 08/21/2016 5:14:06 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: amihow; .45 Long Colt
CA teaches that,

From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if "covered," remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or "purged" of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us "to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit." Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive "for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." http://www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory

But which is contradicted by Scripture which the RC abuses in attempting to support traditions of men! Scripture (Peter no less) teaches that God purifies the heart by faith, ("purifying their hearts by faith." - Acts 15:9) and that even the immature Corinthians were washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

And that while CA invokes 2 Thessalonians, they were told that they would all be with the Lord is He returned in their lifetime. (1Ths. 4:17)

Finally, Hebrews 12:14 does not say to strive for "that" holiness, as if a certain level was to be met, but to follow after holiness, which is required to see the Lord, but which is consistent with faith, the keeping of which is the theme of Hebrews, (Heb. 10:17) and which holiness these Hebrews were told they already possessed, and could had direct access into the holy of holies by the sinless shed blood of the Lord Jesus.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Heb 10:10-14)

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (Heb 10:19-20)

Thus they are exhorted to pursue what they already had, which is mark of true faith. We see this in Phil. 3, in which Paul, who states that if he was to leave this world then He would be with the Lord, (For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: (Philippians 1:23) but expresses how much he wanted to attain perfection in this life, "the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus," and to now be like a resurrected believer, while pointing to that resurrection as being the next transformative event, "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." (Philippians 3:21)

Purgatory is simply not there.

313 posted on 08/21/2016 10:13:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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