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To: amorphous

So some think Jews could know the Father long before Christ was on this earth, be presented the Ten Commandments and be delivered by the hand of God Himself from bondage and slavery to be abandoned in the end?

I don’t know about that.
I am Christian but I kind of think faithful Jews were kind of given the front door key and Jesus saved the rest through sacrifice to adopt the rest of us through the side door.

Now I do also realize tons of Christians are related to those Jews who converted long ago as well.

People are not perfect and are never worthy by their own merit, but I’m not sure God the father would ignore Jews like they were following a pagan God by staying with God the Father. To me that seems to make no sense.

This is where there could be IMO some misunderstandings regarding original writings through time, culture and languages.

In the end I think the Jews will be in good hands.


70 posted on 08/20/2016 5:06:31 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy; Elsie
I can share with you something that may give you more to think about. :-)

First, in respect to the afterlife, it's not the believer in Judaism, nor any other believer, whose road to salvation is special. It's those who are in Christ, whom have had a special place prepared for them:

John 14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”

To be perfectly honest with you, I'm not sure where the line is drawn, in respect to who is, or who isn't 'in Christ'. Certainly the disciples were. Beyond those, I suspect many, who think they are, are sadly mistaken. But no doubt, there are many who are 'in Christ'.

I'm confident we are all judged daily, throughout our lives. Otherwise, how else would those who judge who is, and who isn't, in Christ, know at any given time?

So, those in Christ have a special place waiting for them, according to scripture, and a special time when those who are living, at the time of Yeshua's coming, will be transformed - never having known death. And those in Christ, not living at the time, will rise even before those living.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Let's move on to everyone else ( i.e., those not in Christ). There are good, decent people, of all beliefs, of all races, and of all ages. There are those who are aware of and keep the commandments, and those who yet aware, don't keep God's commandments - don't live righteously.

In the unaware crowd, there are also those with a kind/good heart, who treat others accordingly, who instinctively live righteously in this respect. You might say they have the Holy Spirit - and by all accounts do - IMO.

Scripture tell us we're also judged by our knowledge/awareness of the Almighty's word and commandments. The following passage of scripture mentions 'Gentiles', I believe it better fits all those who know nothing of God's or the Son's commandments (i.e., the law).

Many twist this passage, and many passages like it, to mean that believers of Judaism must follow 'the law', then turn right around and mistakenly use it, and scriptures like it, to exempt themselves from a requirement to also follow God's commandments (i.e., live righteously).

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)

16 This [Judgement] will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Under God's plan for humanity, ALL are covered. :-)

75 posted on 08/20/2016 6:39:52 PM PDT by amorphous
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