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To: ealgeone

So to you God the father has less authority than God the son?

The Father, Son and Spirit are all equal like three roses on a rose bush.

God does not kick Jews to the curb over Christ.
Granted Paul was trying to educate people that the Messiah was already here, but the Jews weakness like our weakness would not keep them from heaven.

I believe you can come to heaven through the Father, Son or Holy Spirit. God doesn’t limit himself because he sent His Son. It’s not like God the Father took a vacation or retired to Florida.


39 posted on 08/19/2016 8:23:06 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
So to you God the father has less authority than God the son?

The Father, Son and Spirit are all equal like three roses on a rose bush.

God does not kick Jews to the curb over Christ. Granted Paul was trying to educate people that the Messiah was already here, but the Jews weakness like our weakness would not keep them from heaven.

I believe you can come to heaven through the Father, Son or Holy Spirit. God doesn’t limit himself because he sent His Son. It’s not like God the Father took a vacation or retired to Florida.

The NT would disagree with you.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16 NASB

13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Colossians 2:13-14 NASB

40 posted on 08/19/2016 8:35:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: A CA Guy; ealgeone
I believe you can come to heaven through the Father, Son or Holy Spirit. God doesn’t limit himself because he sent His Son. It’s not like God the Father took a vacation or retired to Florida.

You are separating the inseparable. God the Father always worked Thru His Son by the Spirit, and the Rock that Israel followed was Christ, as was the One whom Isaiah saw in His glory in Is. 6, the Divine Son being the visible manifestation of the invisible God, one in nature. And who is the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except by Him. (Jn. 14:6) Glory to God.

And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (1 Corinthians 10:2-4)

In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. (Isaiah 6:1-4)

And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. (Isaiah 6:9-10)

...who is this Son of man?... (John 12:34)

But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: (John 12:37)...Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (John 12:39-40)

These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. (John 12:41)

In addition to which are other examples of the Holy Spirit ascribing uniquely Divine titles, glory and attributes to Christ, which were only ascribed to God.

47 posted on 08/20/2016 6:52:42 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: A CA Guy

No Jew, whether before or after Christ, has ever been saved except by the atoning sacrifice of Christ Jesus on the cross. All the old ceremonies were pictures or types pointing to the eventual sacrificial death on the cross. They were shadows of the better thing to come (Hebrews 10:1), namely Christ Jesus.

The Bible tells us that without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sin (Hebrews 9:22), but then it also says that the blood of Bulls and goats can’t take away sin.

“For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.”
- Hebrews 10:4

Only the shed blood of Jesus is sufficient to take away sin.

Please study both Romans and Hebrews very carefully.

According to Paul, not all the descendants from Jacob are Israel; as he states in Romans 9:6 “They are not all Israel who are Israel.” Not all who are named Jews are truly Jews, the true Israel of God (the Jews) are those who believe in the Messiah.

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” Romans 2:28-29

At the beginning of Romans 9, Paul expresses his grief over the lostness of his kinsmen, the Jewish people. At the end of chapter 9 he says they have stumbled over the great stumbling stone, Christ Jesus. And then in Romans 10 he continues with this:

1 Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved.
2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. - Romans 10:1-4

Paul clearly teaches the Jews are not saved by their law and old covenant system. The only way of salvation for both Jew and Gentile is by faith alone in Christ Jesus. The Bible couldn’t be more clear on this. Dual-Covenant Theolgy that teaches one way for Jews and another way for Gentles is heresy that puts precious Jewish souls in danger.

Jesus is the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through (HIM).


53 posted on 08/20/2016 8:12:29 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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