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Eucharist in the creed?
OSV.com ^ | 07-20-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 07/23/2016 9:19:23 AM PDT by Salvation

Eucharist in the creed?

Msgr. Charles Pope

Question: The true presence of Christ in the Eucharist is central to our Catholic faith, and many converts say it was essential to their conversion. If this is so, why is the true presence not mentioned at all in the Nicene or Apostles Creeds? Should it not be added at the end where we state things like our belief in the Communion of Saints, the resurrection of the body and so forth? Jerry Roventini, via email

Answer: There are many things that are not mentioned in the Nicene Creed. There is no mention of the Ten Commandments or grace; neither are we told what books belong to the New Testament or that we should care for the poor, etc. The creed is not a catechism; it is a statement of certain key doctrines that were disputed at the time of its composition in the fourth century.

The creed was composed in response to debates about the divinity of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. While there are a few concluding statements related to ecclesiology and eschatology, the Nicene Creed remains preeminently a statement of faith in the one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The belief in the true presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist was not widely disputed at the time. And to the degree it was, the need to definitively teach on the divinity of Christ was an important foundation in order to establish his true presence in the Eucharist.  

In the Sacred Liturgy, many signs and words indicate the Real Presence. The words of the consecration, which are Jesus’ own words, say, “This is my body … my blood.” The priest later says, “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.” There are also signs of the Real Presence in our reverence of kneeling and genuflecting. And, as Communion is distributed, there is the simple creedal declaration and response: “The body of Christ. Amen.” Therefore, in the wider liturgy of the Mass and devotions such as adoration, the Church proclaims her belief in the True Presence.

While it would not intrinsically hurt to add to the Nicene Creed, one might wonder where it would stop. Further, since the creed is shared by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, adding to the ancient creed might harm attempts at unity.

Pope Paul VI wrote a longer “Credo of the People of God” which does speak to the Eucharistic presence, but it is too long to recite at Mass.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; eucharist; msgrcharlespope; thecreed
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To: Elsie

I agree with you.


241 posted on 07/29/2016 4:49:53 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: MHGinTN
THAT is a mountain of TRUTH too high for the carnal mind inculcated in you. Catholics have literally been taught that the bloodless Body Jesus now has In Heaven is commanded to produce blood for Catholics to consume at Catholic Mass, by a priesthood that is not prescribed in The Word of God. So long as the carnal is the focus of Catholic ritual, the Spiritual will not be amongst you ...

You are SO ill informed, for over 1,600 years, ALL Christians taught and believed in transubstantiation, and MOST still do. Luckily the Prottys came along to save us from ourselves....If you do not have faith enough to realize that Christ did EXACTLY what He said He was doing, so be it, but kindly refrain from challenging BILLIONS of people who do believe Him.....remember the phrase....Oh ye of little faith???

242 posted on 07/29/2016 2:52:52 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Then why didn’t the Apostles believe that? They were actually in the room when Christ said those words, yet there is no evidence of any Apostle carrying it out as if the elements could change.

Other than the fact that it is still practiced today.....that is pretty obvious evidence that the Apostles did EXACTLY what Christ admonished them to do.

243 posted on 07/29/2016 2:56:58 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: metmom
But the *God can do anything* is a false premise. God CANNOT do *anything*. He cannot lie, He cannot change, He cannot deny Himself.

That is a childish answer, like saying that God cannot create a rock that is too heavy for Him to lift.....

244 posted on 07/29/2016 3:01:54 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: metmom
But the *God can do anything* is a false premise. God CANNOT do *anything*. He cannot lie, He cannot change, He cannot deny Himself.

That is a childish answer, like saying that God cannot create a rock that is too heavy for Him to lift.....

245 posted on 07/29/2016 3:02:57 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: Elsie
The figures, posted by FR Catholics over the years, vary from 25 to 80 thousand. I do so wish they'd get on the same page! m

The number changes by the hour....who knows the total???

246 posted on 07/29/2016 3:12:32 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: Elsie
... because the Jesus we eat is alive, more alive than we are. Leviticus 19:26 You are not to eat anything with blood in it...

Ever eat a medium rare piece of beef????/or beef tartar????...blood

247 posted on 07/29/2016 3:16:45 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: Elsie
THIS was a Passover meal. A yearly ritual.

in the Jewish tradition

248 posted on 07/29/2016 3:18:30 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: knarf
There was never a spiritual consciousness other than the hippie stuff of the hippie era ... which I utilized to ball the girls. In 1981, I met Jesus with no build up to a spiritual experience except ... I had reached the end of "my" rope and Eddie Klein witnessed to me ... and I met Jesus.

Oh please....you knew Jesus long before that but like many of little faith, you didn't RECOGNIZE Him....He was there, you weren't.

249 posted on 07/29/2016 3:25:47 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: terycarl; Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; boatbums; daniel1212; MHGinTN; mitch5501

I’ll bet you know my shoe size, too !


250 posted on 07/29/2016 3:34:05 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true ... and it ticks people off)
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To: Elsie
But Catholicism has been Accurate and True from day one!

FINALLY YOU GOT IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

251 posted on 07/29/2016 3:34:52 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: Salvation

Good question, good answer.


252 posted on 07/29/2016 3:36:57 PM PDT by tioga
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To: MHGinTN
The entire Catholic Mass is a farce.

Attend one for a change, and pay attention....they have been said for 2,016 years, now in every country on Earth, every hour of every day, and BILLIONS of people believe and participate.

If you don't have the faith to do so, I guess that is your loss....sad!

253 posted on 07/29/2016 3:44:23 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: terycarl
Other than the fact that it is still practiced today.....that is pretty obvious evidence that the Apostles did EXACTLY what Christ admonished them to do.

Except for the gap...

254 posted on 07/29/2016 4:32:45 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: terycarl

At your age, you cannot see but what you have been drilled to believe. Do you believe the body Jesus occupies NOW in HEAVEN has blood distributing The Life of Him? I doubt you can even answer that honestly, you are so unlearned.


255 posted on 07/29/2016 4:36:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: terycarl

In your openly haughty arrogance, I doubt seriously if it saddens you that I’m not lost in your religion. Catholiciism is not Christianity.


256 posted on 07/29/2016 4:38:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: terycarl
You obviously are not familiar with the character of GOD. It is not childish to state His Character is such that He cannot lie. But your vacuous spittle shows you don't have a clue Whom HE IS. Now THAT IS sad.
257 posted on 07/29/2016 4:40:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: terycarl; MHGinTN

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The first “mass” in a christian church was said in the 4th century.


258 posted on 07/29/2016 4:42:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Careful Bro, there be hornets in that nest.


259 posted on 07/29/2016 5:03:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN

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Not much in the attic though!


260 posted on 07/29/2016 5:47:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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