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To: D-fendr

“Denying the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist”

See the problem is that you and your false priest’s attempt to call Christ down from Heaven to have that real presence which is against Paul’s teachings (Romans 10:6). As a born again Christian I have that “Real Presence” living within me (Gal 2:20)! I don’t have to call Christ down to earth as a true believer my spirit is already seated with Christ in the heavenly realm (Eph 2:6). The reason you have to try and call Him down is that you are not saved thus you are still trying to find Him.

Again I will tell you to look at Jewish wedding tradition and you will find what Communion points to and it’s not real presence.

“St.Paul cautions against this error in First Corinthians.”

Well if you want to follow Paul I suggest you read Gal 1:8 and dump that ccc and you will see just how deviant your religion has become.

“Old Time Religion”

The Jews said the same to Christ.
Obtw your old time religion has had major changes in the last 500 years, just the COT changed your religion completely. So with that being said it was either faulty to begin with or it’s wrong now you pick.

“You’re welcome to your innovative tradition”

I don’t have religious traditions I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and I follow the Holy Bible and only that.
Tradition is exactly what caused the Jews to not accept Christ as the Messiah. They were so busy making sure their tradition was adhered to that lost the true meaning of the Holy Scriptures.

“Holy Scripture and in the history of the Church.”

You ignore Holy Scriptures that’s why every point you made is contradictory to Scripture. Even the Scripture you attempted to bring up actually points back at you and proves your doomed. RCC history actually points that either it was fallible before COT or after either way it still proves error.

Put away the ccc and study a Bible and you can be seated in the heavenly realm with Christ also. He will never come down to you He is either IN you and you in Him or not there is just no in between.

Obtw when Jesus defeated Satan in the wilderness He used Holy Scriptures NOT tradition.


128 posted on 07/14/2016 12:45:49 PM PDT by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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To: mrobisr

>>>I don’t have religious traditions

Sure you do. The unaffiliated traditions of the Church of Daniel. You can survey Daniel, and that’s what your church believes. It’s Solo Mio.

From the Catholics, you likely picked up the Most Holy Trinity and a few other basics. Your other interpretations and doctrines, the one’s expressed here are not new, although they are - relatively - recent in the Christian faith.

You can trace your doctrine on denying the Real Presence back to the 16th Century, when the Swiss branched off of Luther over the issue and back to Luther who branched off the Church over authority, and the unbiblical doctrine of solo scriptura. (He would have kicked you out when you soloed your way following Zwingli in ‘your’ tradition.)

Those are the roots of your tradition in history. Add in the further branches in the 17th/18th Century and whatever other bits you have picked up, and there’s the Church of Daniel.

Your welcome to your tradition and your interpretation of Holy Scripture. I’ve studied Holy Scripture and Church history extensively -in formal study and on my own - for over 40 years. I’ve seen your arguments, been through all of them and more, many times. As I’ve said, they torture the plain meaning of Christ, his Apostles, the writings of the early church and history of Christianity. I just don’t find your arguments persuasive when examined critically and factually. And, of course, there is no appeal to authority possible, when you are the sole authority of your doctrine.

We’ve circled around again, said our piece; and, again, I’ll leave you with the last word.

thanks for your reply.


131 posted on 07/14/2016 1:53:06 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: mrobisr; daniel1212

I just now realized I thought I was posting to Daniel in my last reply.

Mea culpa!! Very sorry. If it fits you can apply to your post, if not, don’t.

In any case, I apologize to you both for my mistake.


132 posted on 07/14/2016 2:08:07 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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