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To: D-fendr; Elsie
The Church doesn’t decide teaching on the basis of surveys.

Irrelevant. The Church doesn’t decide what its members truly believe, or what they say they believe when asked. Deciding what to teach and telling the flock what they are to believe is simply not the same.

The Real Presence couldn’t be more obvious in Holy Scripture

Repeating such delusional assertions will never make it true. In contrast, as explained and shown, the Catholic Real Presence is obviously absent in the life of the NT church. And it is Scripture and its history that judges extraScriptural history, and not vice versa as with Catholicism.

You disagree, and have your own opinion. That’s fine for you, I don’t put much credence in your authority; nothing personal.

Your opinion of my authority is irrelevant, but the veracity of my argument is what matters, which rests upon the degree of warrant from Scripture - which is supremely authoritative - and in contrast to your assertion, only the veracity of my substantiated argument is shown to warrant credence.

If you do not want to see more, stop posting such outlandish provocative assertions as that belief in the Catholic Real Presence was re-iterated by Paul in his epistles, and that most Christians belief in it today.

121 posted on 07/13/2016 6:21:38 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
I think you understood my point and your rebuttal is specious or illogical at best.

>>>"The Church doesn’t decide what its members truly believe.."

The Church teaches doctrine - which is not determined by poll. Or is it in your church? This is a really obvious error in your logic. Does your denomination have a Confession, a Statement of Principles, or What We Believe? Or do you take a survey to determine what it will teach?

What is your church's confession? How was it determined?

St. Paul did not survey those in the Church at Corinth and teach them the results. No, he rebuked their divisions and heretical beliefs. ("For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you..")

And then he taught them right doctrine, including discerning the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist.

122 posted on 07/13/2016 6:51:57 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: daniel1212; D-fendr; Elsie
Regarding my rejection that most Christians belief in it [the RP], as said, that refers to the Catholic RP, and to personal belief, and while even then you could make a case using inflated figures for Catholicism, the vast majority of non-Catholics can hardly be said to believe in the RP, versus symbolic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members
124 posted on 07/13/2016 8:35:54 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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