But the FACTS are (if you buy Rome's line that Catholicism started at Day One) those were FAILED CATHOLIC CHURCHES. You are STUCK with your OWN albatross around thine neck and hoisted upon thine OWN petard! So, 2,000 years ago, in the first years of a newly founded religion (by Christ),it had some failures. I haven't looked up the places that you mentioned, but the meaning of the whole thing escapes me. The Catholic church has overcome numerous obstacles in its history and is doing just fine. It remains the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic church on Earth and as promised, will last until the end of time.....and will NEVER err in matters of faith and morals.......as promised!!!
...and will NEVER err in matters of faith and morals...Sorry; but for all your bluster you cannot see that your OTC recorded the FACT that is HAS 'erred' in:
faith and morals
church of Ephesus: Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
church in Smyrna: I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
church in Pergamos: But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication... Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
church in Thyatira: I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols... And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
church in Sardis: I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.... .....I have not found thy works perfect before God.
church in Philadelphia: I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
church of the Laodiceans: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Who does this sound like? ---> Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.