[Thales Miletus]

Well since you all seem convinced that Verga is wrong then perhaps you can answer this. None of you have denied that both the Father and the Son are eternal. How can this be? Chronologically children are younger than their parents. How can the Son be eternal if he is younger than the Father? Are any of you the same age as any of your parents?
And the "It's a mystery" or "You must take it on faith" isn't going to fly. At least two of you claim graduate seminary training, so it should be a piece of cake.

[ealgeone]

Actually the burden is on Verga to prove his claim considering the nature of it. He has been asked more than once for documentation to support his statement in his post 160. He either has it or he doesn't. Surely he's had enough time to dig it up by now.

He also claimed the council of Nicea taught this. Still waiting on the evidence.

[Elsie]

Isn't it fun!

Sitting back and watching 'religious' people fight!!

[Iscool]

Well since you all seem convinced that Verga is wrong then perhaps you can answer this. None of you have denied that both the Father and the Son are eternal. How can this be? Chronologically children are younger than their parents. How can the Son be eternal if he is younger than the Father?

Quite simple, really...The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are 3 forms of the same God...If ever there was a beginning, they (He) began all at the same time...

[boatbums]

Well since you all seem convinced that Verga is wrong then perhaps you can answer this. None of you have denied that both the Father and the Son are eternal. How can this be? Chronologically children are younger than their parents. How can the Son be eternal if he is younger than the Father? Are any of you the same age as any of your parents? And the "It's a mystery" or "You must take it on faith" isn't going to fly. At least two of you claim graduate seminary training, so it should be a piece of cake.

What Verga was wrong about was part of his statement in post 160 that seemed to say God had a beginning. He hasn't clarified yet if those were his own words or if he copied them from some other source. Why aren't you asking him this question?

Are you implying that someone can explain an infinite concept to you sufficiently that you will be convinced and forsake your Agnostic/metatheist position? I'm not convinced even if that were possible going by what you have been saying on these threads. If even the smartest, deepest theological minds over the whole world from all time have failed to adequately and exhaustively explain all there is to know of the infinite, Almighty God, why think anyone can do better?

You have already been told what Christianity has believed about the Triune God and the creeds that have been developed to try to comprehensively and concisely define what that belief is as far as possible. That's the best we can do. Almighty God had ALWAYS existed. He had no beginning and has no end. He is outside of time as we know it. Jesus is the Son of God who took on human form (incarnated- made flesh) so that He could make propitiation for the sins of world. The Son of God - because He IS God - has always existed and will always exist. The same with the Holy Spirit. To try to confine God to human comprehension and thoughts about "chronology" are pointless - it doesn't apply to Him. God used terms like "Father" and "Son" to help us relate to Him both in terms of our relationship with Him as well as His relationship with the Godhead. Even the use of a male pronoun and the gender of nouns for Him only go so far - God certainly has no genitals. In Scripture, He even uses feminine terms sometimes to describe our relationship to Him.

So...sorry if "It's a mystery." or "You must take it on faith." are inadequate to answer you but that is what it boils down to. We don't have an infinite mind to take in infinite information. There are things about our OWN bodies and our world that we take on faith - how much more the infinity of the Creator and sustainer of all that was, is and ever will be?

[Boogieman]

“How can this be? Chronologically children are younger than their parents.”

You’re making the mistake of anthropomorphizing a deity. You cannot assume rules that apply to humans apply to God. God exists outside of time, because time is a creation of His. Therefore, God is not bound by time in the way that we are, so we cannot make those kind of assumptions about Him.