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To: SubMareener

Any doctrine that was established by capital punishment/murder, and the continued threat of such was NOT established from/by Jesus Christ.
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So you do not believe that Jesus Christ was crucified, dead and buried, and that the Father raised Him from the dead?

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I guess I thought we were talking about the doctrine of The Trinity, but you have made a very good argument against the Nicean doctrine of The Trinity by your post, in that God raised Christ from the dead. If they were the same wouldn’t Christ have raised Himself from the dead? God was greater than Christ so God raised Him from the dead. and on another note, if Christ was only spirit as some claim why would He need to be raised from the dead? We already know that before He was raised He was preaching to the souls in prison before His Resurrection. He is not spirit but flesh, perfected flesh.


23 posted on 05/24/2016 8:34:43 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig; teppe

Please don’t be so dense. I was responding to teppe’s post that appeared to deny the Crucifixion. I personally believe that many times when Jesus referred to the Father he was referring to the Ain Sof, the True and the Living God outside of the Creation.


29 posted on 05/24/2016 9:16:54 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: JAKraig; SubMareener
If they were the same wouldn’t Christ have raised Himself from the dead?

As the spiritual part of the Godhead, sure. IIRC, The Incarnated Human Individual Jesus experienced physical death, not spiritual or eternal death. His tripartite Personhood dissociated, which means that the temporal Body ceased to function under the influence of Soul and Spirit when they left the Body; His Spirit commended into the hands of The Father, His Soul proceeding to the Paradise compartment--called Abraham's Bosom--of Sheol/Hell/Hades. Is that not so?

"And if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you; he that raised up Jesus Christ, from the dead shall quicken also your mortal bodies, because of his Spirit that dwelleth in you" (Rom. 8:11 DRB). It does not seem to me that the (Triune) Godhead in Heaven ever ceased to exist and be continuously and eternally composed of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It was only the Human Person manifestation that was reunited and made to again fully function (without the Blood) for ever, but now no longer limited by the attributes of the physical sphere.

174 posted on 05/26/2016 5:53:34 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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