Posted on 05/23/2016 4:25:24 PM PDT by Frank Broom
This article is to those that might be going through a physical affliction and wondering if it is God's will for you to be healed. I just want to encourage you that it is God's will that you receive your healing. Let me make these points to help convince you of that because I want you convinced so that nobody can talk you out of it. First, In Matthew 15:26 Jesus said healing is the children's bread. What is bread, it is your right. Every child has a right to be fed. In fact, it a father's obligation to feed his children. And Jesus said it(healing) is the children's bread. Second, God the Father is the most loving father and in Luke 11:11-13 the point Jesus is making is that if you being evil know how to do good for your children how much more God. James 1:17 says, every good gift comes from God. And Act 10:38 says, God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and power and with the Holy Ghost and power Jesus went about doing good healing all that were oppressed of the devil. So, healing is a good gift from God. I want to make this point because there are those that say these bodies are just dust and they don't matter to God. But, yet we see God anointing Jesus to heal these dust bodies and he did not turn anyone away. Now, what natural parent if they had a child out playing and the child fell and was bleeding badly tell them, "Now baby don't worry about it your body is just dust." NO, a good parent would pick that child up rush them in the house, nurse their wounds, put a bandage on them, dry there tears, and do everything in their ability to make it better. Well, how much more God. Third, Hebrews 1:3 says, Jesus is the express image of God and Jesus said he only did what he saw the Father do so everytime Jesus healed it was the Father's will and not one time did he turn anyone away. Not one time did he say, "God is using this to teach you something." Not one time did he say, "I'm sorry, but it's not God's will. You know all those religious ideas people come up with. Not one time did he say no and God does not change Malachi 3:6.
Fourth, God anointed Jesus to heal. Jesus told his disciples to heal. Jesus told believers to heal. So, healing must be one of God's top priorities. Fifth, Jesus was lashed and cut open for your healing Isaiah 53:4,5. He was beaten so badly he didn't even look like himself Isaiah 52:14. Now, how can anyone say that healing is not important to God. Sixth, God has an assignment for all of our lives and without these bodies we can't fulfill them. Seven, Some say that it's more important to be saved than healed. And I agree totally, but God provided for both 1Peter 2:24. If He provided it then He must wants us to have it. Eighth, Jesus said many are sick and sleep(dead) because they don't discern the Lord's body, that it was broken for your healing 1Corinthians 11:24,29,30. People recognize that what Jesus did brought salvation, but they don't realize that what he did brought healing so they don't receive it. Ninth, Everything about Jesus speaks of healing. The lamb in Exodus 12 is a picture of Jesus and notice as a result of eating the lamb everyone was healed Psalm 105:37 (make a note of that from point 8). In Numbers 16 the atonement Aaron made for the people represents what Jesus did for you and I. And in Numbers 21 that serpent on the pole represents Jesus on the cross taking our sins. Notice, in every case it brought HEALING. Tenth, In Acts 5 and 19 God used handkercheifs and even a man's shadow to heal people. Look at God. So, do not let people minimize God's desire for you to receive your healing. And do not let them trivialize what Jesus went through for you to be healed. So, if you are believing then keep believing. God Bless!!!!
And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.
I am reading too much on this thread that sounds like Job’s worthless friends.
They thought they had God all figured out too, had all the answers for why Job was afflicted and suffering. All the same wrong answers the today’s Pentecostal movement uses.
Pentecostalism is very legalistic in many ways. They think they have God all figured out, know how He works, what He wants for all believers across the board, and condemn others for not fitting into their idea of what the Christian paradigm should look like.
They absolutely cannot wrap their minds around the idea that God might not work in the way they have Him all figured out to do.
And then they use Scripture to try to blackmail God into action.
And when He doesn’t perform as they expect, they blame the victim.
It’s a very destructive mentality and is very devastating for someone who is either new to the faith or weak in their faith.
Any thing that leaves the door so wide open for attacks of the enemy with the kind of guilt and condemnation that their theology enables, is NOT from God.
I told a Pentecostal friend once that when I was praying about my situation, God told me that He was working on something greater and she actually came right out and told me that she doubted that that was God speaking to me because God would never say that.
I knew enough to dismiss it, but for someone not so well grounded, that could be extremely damaging.
I also had some Pentecostal person who was conducting *healing services* hold out his hand towards me (palm out), turn away from me, and refuse to pray for me for healing because I would not agree to go home and eat a big serving of something I would likely react to to *prove* that I had enough faith to be healed.
Because context is our friend in understanding the Word.
7Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself!
8Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me.
9And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Corinthians 12:7-10
The Greek for torment indicates a meaning of striking with the fist, maltreat, treat violently. The idea conveyed in this passage is Paul was struck with something sharp and painful. (Helps Word-studies).
This passage also indicates this was within God's sovereign will for this to happen to Paul. It was also within His sovereign will for it not to be taken away.
Your position is not supported by the Word when taken in its entirety.
If you pull a verse in Matthew out of context and try to build a belief around it you are not rightly handling the Word.
If your position is correct then people with strokes and heart attacks will be fully restored to their prior healthy selves.
Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not.
My mom died of a severe stroke four years ago. You can be assured people were praying for her to be healed. She was not. Why? It was not in God's plan for her to be healed.
However, the circumstances surrounding her stroke were. To keep it short, everybody who needed to be in place was.
Now, prior to that about 18 years ago she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Was she healed? Yes. Why? It was within His plan for her to be.
Our pastor's wife died last year of cancer. Was she prayed over? You bet.
Was she healed? No.
And please, before you say there was a lack of faith you best hold your post on that.
Can/does God still heal people today?
Yes, I believe He does.
Can/does God always heal people today every time? No He doesn't.
However, in all of these cases God is still sovereign.
Job summed it up pretty well:
1Then Job answered the LORD and said,
2“I know that You can do all things, And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted.
3‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’ “Therefore I have declared that which I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.”
4‘Hear, now, and I will speak; I will ask You, and You instruct me.’
5“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear; But now my eye sees You;
6Therefore I retract, And I repent in dust and ashes.”
Job 42:1-6
as i said. i don’t know. just gave what i do know.
Again, you’re not paying attention. I never said all believers WILL get healed, but I did say we have we have “divine health” available to us through what Jesus did on the cross.
Your “que sera, sera” approach to the Lord and the life he has for you is not scriptural.
“If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally, and does not upbraid; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavers is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” James 1:5-8.
Good post bro.
This article is to those that might be going through a physical affliction and wondering if it is God's will for you to be healed. I just want to encourage you that it is God's will that you receive your healing.
You've backed up pretty quick on this statement.
You've been shown the inaccuracy of your position. Quit spreading false doctrine.
All glory to Him!
Amen bro. I don't think I have seen anyone mention speaking in tongues. Would some of the all healing types be the same ones who say every born again Christian should speak in tongues? I am not sure, that's why I ask.
(a) Because of the divine exchange at the cross, . . .
What is the nature of this "divine exchange"?
At what point from His crucifixion until his removal from the cross did this supposed event take place?
What is the Scripture reference that specifically records that such an event took place?
How do you equate the acquisition of stripes from scourging and beating prior to the crucifixion with the crucifixion itself and its meaning?
(b). . . we have “divine health” . . .
What is this "divine health" condition?
What is its manifestation in a genuine regenerated follower of Jesus?
Does a person having "divine health" ever get diabetes, or incurable cancer, or Alzheimer's disease, or a brain tumor?
(c). . . which means Jesus took our broken bodies . . .
What is a "broken body," literally? How did/does Jesus "take" a "broken body"?
What does He do with a "broken body" when He gets it?
(d). . . and we got his healthy body.
How do we get His "healthy body"?
Do we occupy it in real time as a fast-healing, bacteria-resistant envelope, or is it just a hope for the future?
Did I miss out on something by thinking that I belong to Jesus, but am still walking around the same body that was formed in my mother, born, matured to adulthood, and is now aging with accidentally broken and poorly healed feet, needing to control hypertension with chemical compounds, forgets where the car keys are, and suffers stiff joints and vertigo, certainly one that my soul and spirit will have to abandon shortly?
That I have come to believe in the wrong doctrines of false prophets?
Isn't the body that Jesus now inhabits the same body that was born of Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, was buried, then arose, ascended into Heaven, and is now seated at the Right Hand of God? And in it He will come again to judge the living and dead?
If so, how does one get it to wear instead of the one currently wearing out?
Now, my FRiend, your hypothesis seems to me to be a bit far-fetched,unreal, and unscriptural (though quite mellifluous). What are you going to do about that?
I already showed you that the primary interpretation of the two passages you cited in Post #2 show that the Messiah was literally beaten so as to receive striped marks across His flesh from scourging with a whip and with a rod, and that The God's purpose for that was a part of His plan for saving us from the spiritual sickness of the sin that was let into this temporal dimension and into our very bodies. This literal interpretation uses literal and figurative-literal language to get the sense across, without any of the imaginative, vaguely pious words you seem to feel apply to this context.
While the Bible assures us that the context of Jesus' Cross-death, resurrection, ascension, and offering of His Blood as our Eternal High Priest as the price of being reconciled to the Mighty God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, nowhere do I see anyplace in Scripture that this plan includes relieving our current bodies of the afflictions of warts, moles, sore holes, and pimples on the nipples. That ministry is left to the manufacturers of Cloverine Salve and Bag Balm, a healing salve for cow's udders which is also a sovereign agent for alleviating psoriasis.
The rest of the afflictions of this body I and others pray about when it is put into the joint care of God and the licensed professionals of the healing arts, who also prescribe the products of the excellent pharmaceutical industry. I am more concerned about the Lord Jesus taking and keeping my soul and spirit, than I am about the disposition of my body, which at various times has been committed to hospitals, doctors, pilots, and recruit platoon sergeants, not always teated with kindness and compassion.
With this, I believe I have also answered your questions as to the context and primary interpretations of the stripes/healing passages, eh? The healing part in those passages related only to the Lord's treatment of spiritual disease, not the physical manifestations of cleft lips or hydrocephalus, which He may leave unchanged as marks of His ownership.
And there are no stripes-related Scriptures that have any primary meaning or connection as to healing of the temporal human body, ante-Nicene or post-Trent.
Prove it. I think this is just an unsupported opinion, and not actually correct.
imardmd1: What does that say to you? (Post #33)
ScottfromNJ: Where in this passage is God removed from the equation to suggest you have to help yourself first as a condition to receive God’s help on that matter instead of seeking God out first and allowing God to work in the situation and provide the work? (Post #42)
It is not clear how your reading of what I said removes God at all. This verse is a command by Paul, in words inspired by God The Holy Spirit to the church at Thessalonika. The sense of the command is directed toward the behavior of people who can work but won't work, expecting the church to feed them rather than to feed themselves by their own employment.
ScottfromNJ: Where in the passage does God say he won’t help you get work, . . . (Post #42)
Hum. The sense of the passage is that work is available, but there are church members or people in the community who are able but not willing to engage in gainful employment to feed themselves, but instead expect to freeload on the church's largesse.
ScottfromNJ: ". . . that you must sidestep him and help yourself . . ." (Post #42 cont'd)
How is it that insisting on able-bodied people get off their butts and earn their own upkeep sidestepping the will of God? In fact, it is the will of God that they do so, without having to be prompted.
ScottfromNJ:". . . as you suggest?" (Post #42).
Boy, you sure missed the point of the application of this Scripture passage. The sensible advice is that God helps those who help themselves, the ones who take initiative, who employ their gifts and skills to provide for their own needs, to advance their own interests, and those of God as well as other fellow Christians. These are self-starters, not stem-winders. They use God-provided opportunities as a stepping stone to abundant life, rather than being a stumblingblock to the success of others by consuming resources without replacing them. Read the story of the talents, esp Matthew 25:20 and 28 (cf Lk. 16:12-27, esp v.26).
I don't understand what your problem is.
Tell me, what is your opinion on this view of an economy:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to one's need."
What does that mean to you?
"The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing" (Prov. 20:4)
"The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" (Prov. 26:16)
You fail to distinguish between
my statement: “God’s will for you to be healed” (3 John 2), and
YOUR statement: “all believers will be healed” which I never said.
“By his stripes we are healed” is not false doctrine - it is the word of God which you “make of none effect through your tradition” (Mark 7:13).
Your use of that sword is, well, masterful.
“The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason” (Prov. 26:16)”
The sluggard should make God his sufficiency and diligently seek him out for his guidance and needs under all circumstances. He’ll be greatly rewarded.
You would have the sluggard set the agenda for God’s day, eh?
“You would have the sluggard set the agenda for God’s day, eh?’
My post advises the sluggard to seek God out for the agenda but perhaps you don’t have the skills to understand. In that case I would suggest you seek God out for knowledge and understanding. Good bye.
Again, your argument is with God and his word, not with me.
God’s word states that Jesus “healed all that were sick” because he “took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses” - physically (Matt. 8:16-17) and you, like the Pharisees, don’t like that.
“I’m afraid that, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your mind has been corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ” (2 Cor 11:3). And again, in doing so, you have made “the word of God of no effect through your tradition” (Mark 7:13).
Not sure at this point we’re really getting anywhere we haven’t already been.
Hope the best for you. Bye.
In truth, I would be willing and glad to continue fellowship if you might desire to receive material that would improve your Biblical education, as the Lord expects us to do, should you wish.
Of course, that would lead you away from following the Kuhlman/Roberts/Hinn/Copeland false healing and prosperity doctrines, but into deeper union with the Jesus of the Bible, who actually did not heal everybody's earthly body that asked.
You might not be willing to give it up until you've drunk your own brand of Kool-Aid, eh? But you ought not to neglect the "tough love" that many contributors to this thread have shown you, with whom you've engaged, thinking that they are adversarial to your best interests.
Ciao for now.
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