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To: Jim 0216
No, I will not accept this unwarranted jump past your completely fantastic hypothesis in Post #2 that:

(a) Because of the divine exchange at the cross, . . .

What is the nature of this "divine exchange"?

At what point from His crucifixion until his removal from the cross did this supposed event take place?

What is the Scripture reference that specifically records that such an event took place?

How do you equate the acquisition of stripes from scourging and beating prior to the crucifixion with the crucifixion itself and its meaning?

(b). . . we have “divine health” . . .

What is this "divine health" condition?

What is its manifestation in a genuine regenerated follower of Jesus?

Does a person having "divine health" ever get diabetes, or incurable cancer, or Alzheimer's disease, or a brain tumor?

(c). . . which means Jesus took our broken bodies . . .

What is a "broken body," literally? How did/does Jesus "take" a "broken body"?

What does He do with a "broken body" when He gets it?

(d). . . and we got his healthy body.

How do we get His "healthy body"?

Do we occupy it in real time as a fast-healing, bacteria-resistant envelope, or is it just a hope for the future?

Did I miss out on something by thinking that I belong to Jesus, but am still walking around the same body that was formed in my mother, born, matured to adulthood, and is now aging with accidentally broken and poorly healed feet, needing to control hypertension with chemical compounds, forgets where the car keys are, and suffers stiff joints and vertigo, certainly one that my soul and spirit will have to abandon shortly?

That I have come to believe in the wrong doctrines of false prophets?

Isn't the body that Jesus now inhabits the same body that was born of Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, was buried, then arose, ascended into Heaven, and is now seated at the Right Hand of God? And in it He will come again to judge the living and dead?

If so, how does one get it to wear instead of the one currently wearing out?

Now, my FRiend, your hypothesis seems to me to be a bit far-fetched,unreal, and unscriptural (though quite mellifluous). What are you going to do about that?

I already showed you that the primary interpretation of the two passages you cited in Post #2 show that the Messiah was literally beaten so as to receive striped marks across His flesh from scourging with a whip and with a rod, and that The God's purpose for that was a part of His plan for saving us from the spiritual sickness of the sin that was let into this temporal dimension and into our very bodies. This literal interpretation uses literal and figurative-literal language to get the sense across, without any of the imaginative, vaguely pious words you seem to feel apply to this context.

While the Bible assures us that the context of Jesus' Cross-death, resurrection, ascension, and offering of His Blood as our Eternal High Priest as the price of being reconciled to the Mighty God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, nowhere do I see anyplace in Scripture that this plan includes relieving our current bodies of the afflictions of warts, moles, sore holes, and pimples on the nipples. That ministry is left to the manufacturers of Cloverine Salve and Bag Balm, a healing salve for cow's udders which is also a sovereign agent for alleviating psoriasis.

The rest of the afflictions of this body I and others pray about when it is put into the joint care of God and the licensed professionals of the healing arts, who also prescribe the products of the excellent pharmaceutical industry. I am more concerned about the Lord Jesus taking and keeping my soul and spirit, than I am about the disposition of my body, which at various times has been committed to hospitals, doctors, pilots, and recruit platoon sergeants, not always teated with kindness and compassion.

With this, I believe I have also answered your questions as to the context and primary interpretations of the stripes/healing passages, eh? The healing part in those passages related only to the Lord's treatment of spiritual disease, not the physical manifestations of cleft lips or hydrocephalus, which He may leave unchanged as marks of His ownership.

And there are no stripes-related Scriptures that have any primary meaning or connection as to healing of the temporal human body, ante-Nicene or post-Trent.

90 posted on 05/25/2016 1:18:19 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

Again, your argument is with God and his word, not with me.

God’s word states that Jesus “healed all that were sick” because he “took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses” - physically (Matt. 8:16-17) and you, like the Pharisees, don’t like that.

“I’m afraid that, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your mind has been corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ” (2 Cor 11:3). And again, in doing so, you have made “the word of God of no effect through your tradition” (Mark 7:13).

Not sure at this point we’re really getting anywhere we haven’t already been.

Hope the best for you. Bye.


99 posted on 05/25/2016 10:28:30 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: imardmd1

Very well said!

THANK YOU.


123 posted on 05/25/2016 2:40:22 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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