Posted on 05/21/2016 12:59:40 PM PDT by NYer
Catholic ping!
Orthodox ping!
Each one has a long stick of a sort....hmmmm
Walking sticks, as they had appeared as travelers, I guess.
This (image) is an obvious reference to the 3 “men” or “messengers” who visited Abram (Genesis 18). Read the chapter VERY carefully. This, Genesis 1, are some of the earliest hints on God’s Triune Nature.
Jesus said no one has seen the Father except...
Clearly this image of three bodily forms is incorrect.
Note however, that Man was created in God’s image. Like God, we are triune in nature, we have a body, a soul, and a spirit. In a Christian’s case, he is “born again” that is, the dead spirit he was born with is replaced with a new spirit. The spiritual death of Adam and Eve on the day they ate the apple is in picture.
The 7th Ecumenical Council DID NOT proclaim that images of The Father could be made!
Here is what the Council Fathers proclaimed:
“We define that the holy icons, whether in color, mosaic, or some other material, should be exhibited in the holy churches of God, on the sacred vessels and liturgical vestments, on the walls, furnishings, and in houses and along the roads, namely the icons of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, that of our Lady the Theotokos, those of the venerable angels and those of all saintly people. Whenever these representations are contemplated, they will cause those who look at them to commemorate and love their prototype. We define also that they should be kissed and that they are an object of veneration and honor (timitiki proskynisis), but not of real worship (latreia), which is reserved for Him Who is the subject of our faith and is proper for the divine nature, ... which is in effect transmitted to the prototype; he who venerates the icon, venerated in it the reality for which it stands.”
The Russians are right! Depictions of the Father are heretical and absurd, no matter what my people have, in the past, done!
The moment I posted that I had a minor epiphany: the “Purity” is the perfection of the Father (Matt. 5:48), the “Body” is the Son, incarnate and yet fully God, and the “Flavor” is the Holy Spirit, whose prayers for us are like incense. I wonder if that was a coincidence...
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Just Beautiful!
Beautiful.
One of the most interesting short articles I’ve read here in 15 years. Good Post Thanks.
What “heresy” would that be?
The Russian position (as described in the article) seems to me shot through with problems. First of all, the Rublev ikon *is still a bodily representation of God the Father*. Cloaking it in angelic garb does not change that.
Second of all, though yes, the full bodily representation of the Father is a quite late artistic development, the “Hand of God” motif for the Father is present from earliest Christianity and even Judaism from the Dura-Europos synagogue to today (my Jewish in-laws have it in their house).
There is no such denial in the depiction, any more than there was in the “Hand of God.”
And I beg to differ that the Rublev icon doesn’t depict the Father, at least that’s not what the article says:
“...they chose to use Andrei Rublevs Trinity icon as the proper way to depict the Father, Son and Holy Spirit......The first angel wears a blue undergarment, symbolizing the divine nature of God and a purple outer garment, pointing to the Fathers kingship.”
On the other hand, this article below makes some good points (particularly about the Son being the representation of the Father). It ends though with a bit of a fuzzy conclusion about the propriety of such icons:
I would be inclined to view the Russian declaration on this as a valuable stream of thought but not (without an ecumenical council) binding on the entire Christian world.
“And I beg to differ that the Rublev icon doesnt depict the Father, at least thats not what the article says:”
The article also says that the 7th Ecumenical Council authorized “representations” of “God”, which it did not. The reason the Council authorized icons of Christ, Panagia, the saints, etc is because they all had (or assumed in the case of angels)a corporeal nature which God sanctified by assuming it Himself in the Son. The Father has not assumed a corporeal nature. Indeed, as the Fathers have taught us, while we share in the human nature of Christ, we cannot share in the divine nature of God.
As for whether or not the Russian view is “binding” on the rest of The Church, well of course it isn’t and at least in the West, never has been. What is binding are the anathemas of the 7th Ecumenical Council which certainly apply to a very large segment of what passes for Christianity in the West.
The Shield of the Trinity is at this website. It is an easy to understand example of the trinity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
**Jesus said no one has seen the Father except...**
..the Son. And the Son declares that the Father dwells in him, giving him the words, and doing the works.
Paul and John also declared that God is invisible.
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