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To: Talisker

“I just happen to be a fan of Catherine of Sienna, and so getting attacked over an honest query about her hit me particularly wrong, especially today.”

Yes, you’re such a big fan that you spell it as Sienna.

And here was the answer to your honest query - which you apparently won’t deal with:

“Jesus was talking about setting a man against his father in His own day and metaphorically later on. He was not discussing what Catherine said. Jesus was talking about faith in Him setting a man against his father. Catherine was talking about a man being obedient to his father because of faith in Christ.”

Keep skipping it and we’ll all see how “honest” your “query” was.


29 posted on 04/29/2016 8:26:54 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
Jesus was talking about faith in Him setting a man against his father. Catherine was talking about a man being obedient to his father because of faith in Christ.

Given the inescapable context of "action within the Church," it is presumable that Catherine was warning against one's "faith in Christ" ever leading to a rejection of one's father. Also, recognizing her sainthood (even by my morally reprehensible, mortally erroneous and satanic inclusion of an extra "n" in her name) would lend an extra power to her restriction against contextual leeway in interpretation.

After all, why else would she invoke the extremity of the contrast of Satan vs. the Pope if not to emphasize the absoluteness, the NON-contextuality, of her point?

So the problem of contextual interpretation is then further magnified by her apparent opposition to the direct words of Christ Himself.

None of this is even remotely an attack on the Church, but rather an inquiry into the limits and boundaries of doctrinal interpretations and contextual meanings. To a true Catholic scholar it's actually a fascinating situation, because saint's lives consist in walking the razor's edge in their teachings, while Jesus combines infinite power, infinite love, and yet often a playful challenge to "get it right" in His.

So clearly, but hardly surprisingly, you've missed the pleasure of this subtle interplay of potential meanings. In your fervent effort to erase the legitimacy of every aspect of my personal spiritual life, you've given no evidence of recognizing the actual subject under examination at all. In fact, your belief in the "power" of your "question" just shows how sophomoric and facile your so-called understanding really is.

What's really appalling, however, is your intense desire to use your limited beliefs to create and destroy enemies who literally only exist in your own mind. For that need, for that craving in yourself, you really should get some professional help. Because that's not an expression of your deep Catholic faith, nor your profound spiritual understanding, but rather a primitive and truly satanic desire to just flat-out hurt people while defending your claims to the moral high ground through abuse. And you've demonstrated it many, many times - including on this thread.

Get help.

38 posted on 04/30/2016 11:34:26 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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