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To: Mrs. Don-o
Yes...we pray FOR each other but not TO each other. That's the difference.

What do you mean, "redefining" prayer? As if this were some innovation? Actually, using "pray" in a way that narrowly or restrictively indicates "adoration" is itself an innovation, and not a very legitimate one to import into a discussion on practices of the Christian faithful.

The catholic has to redefine prayer TO Mary as not being prayer to her, but rather, veneration/adoration.

Yet the catholic invokes Mary's name for salvation, mediation, advocacy, etc. Catholic writings teach the catholic can go to Mary and get prayers answered when Christ won't answer or isn't moving fast enough for the catholic.

I know that last line will upset some, but that is what catholicism teaches.

This is how easy the line is crossed when the catholic "venerates" Mary.

Any prayer to Mary is one less prayer to God.

56 posted on 04/27/2016 6:24:46 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
"The catholic has to redefine prayer TO Mary as not being prayer to her, but rather, veneration/adoration."

Now hold on a minute. Wrong, wrong, and wrong: three times wrong in one sentence.

First, we are not "redefining" prayer. We are using the older and historic meaning of the word. I made that point in my last post with an observation on the shifting of the semantic field of the word "pray" over the past couple hundred years --- can you please deal with that?

Second, I NEVER said we don't pray *to* Mary, but quite the opposite: I said we do pray *to* Mary, and it's legit: we're not worshiping her as if she were a goddess or some such thing.

And third, I NEVER used the term "veneration/adoration." My repeated point is that veneration is NOT adoration.

Honestly, you're not thinking right, if you think I said the diametrical opposite of what I said.

Would you please read carefully and note that I say we DO pray to Mary, and this is NOT adoration?

57 posted on 04/27/2016 6:35:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The end of all things is at hand: be therefore sober, and watchful unto prayer." - 1 Peter 4:7)
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