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To: vladimir998
You infer I read the book. No such claim was made. Nor have you read ALL of the writings by catholic authors.

Again the primary issue you continue to dodge is catholicism claims the mass is a sacrifice of Christ to which you cannot refute. It is a contradiction of the Word. Hence your need to go Clinton.

35 posted on 04/19/2016 8:34:24 PM PDT by ealgeone
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“You infer I read the book.”

Nope. I inferred you never did. Here, again, is what I wrote: “But you said you got the quote from the original, correct? Wouldn’t that mean you read the book? Oops! I guess we see you were not telling the truth after all! Of course, that was already known.”

You did not use the original quote. You used one cut and pasted (with added ellipses and a bracketed anti-Catholic comment added to it no less) from an anti-Catholic website.

“No such claim was made.”

I did not say you made such a claim.

“Nor have you read ALL of the writings by catholic authors.”

I never claimed to, but I still knew from just looking at it that you posted a cut and pasted anti-Catholic altered passage rather than the original from O’Brien. And, of course, I was 100% correct.

“Again the primary issue you continue to dodge is catholicism claims the mass is a sacrifice of Christ to which you cannot refute.”

No, the Mass is a re-presentation of the sacrifice of Christ from Calvary in an unbloody fashion just as O’Brien says in his book and in other writings.

” That He might be with them always as their changeless Friend, their inspiring Counsellor, and their great High Priest, He instituted the sacrament of the Real Presence.”

and

“Yet Christ stood suddenly in their midst and spoke to them. In that same glorified body which transcends the properties of matter, Christ is present in the sacrament of His love.”

and

“Such then is the clear teaching of Christ concerning the Holy Eucharist-the Sacrament bringing to us His body and blood as our food and nourishment. Such is the belief of the Apostles and of all the members of the Church founded by Christ for more than nineteen hundred years.”

It’s the information age. It’s not hard to find information: http://www.ecatholic2000.com/cts/untitled-322.shtml

The simple fact is that John A. O’Brien was an excellent theologian who actually understood the Catholic faith - which does not seem to be true in your case from what you yourself have repeatedly written in this forum. He KNEW Jesus could not be sacrificed over and over again and wrote about Christ’s ONE TIME sacrifice in his books. In fact, in the book in question, through the wonders of google book previews, you can see that on page 190 he refers to Christ’s sacrifice on the cross as “the one perfect sacrifice” while talking about confession. In other words, he knows the power of confession - of absolving sins - comes from the one sacrifice 2,000 years ago but is inexhaustible in the sacrament of confession even now. The Eucharist is the same. Again, through google books, “It [meaning the Eucharist] is an unbloody renewal of the sacrifice of Calvary” (page 317). It’s the SAME sacrifice. It is NOT Jesus being sacrifice again and again and again. No one could do that if they tried. It’s the same sacrifice offered. Also, see:

http://www.themichigancatholic.org/2015/04/does-the-catholic-mass-re-sacrifice-jesus/

Even on the very page you would be quoting - if you had not merely cut and pasted from an anti-Catholic webpage instead - you find: “he [the priest] offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary.”

It’s the SAME SACRIFICE and not a new one. It’s the SAME SACRIFICE offered again.

On page 304 you find this:

“The Mass is the unbloody reenactment of the sacrifice of Calvary.” It’s NOT a new sacrifice. You have been told this sort of thing before, and before, and before, and again and again, and again. Yet you “dodge” and keep making the same false claims over and over and over and over again.

“It is a contradiction of the Word. Hence your need to go Clinton.”

You’re the only one going Clinton, Hillary. You’re the only one. The book says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you’re claiming. That fact won’t stop you, of course.


41 posted on 04/20/2016 4:42:20 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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