If that is too daunting maybe you would consider quoting from Luther, Zwingli, Calvin about this heinous belief of those "pagan" Catholics.
No rush, I just be sitting here waiting.
It is irrelevant what the ecfs thought. The text says she wasn’t a perpetual virgin.
Moving the goal posts already?? Comical.
Who cares? Besides Catholics who are desperately grasping at straws to support their doctrine that Scripture DOESN'T support.
Error began creeping into the church at a very early point in time. Much of Paul's letters deal with error that crept in no sooner than he had left.
So appealing to the ecf's is meaningless because their proximity in time to Jesus' life doesn't guarantee accuracy of theology.
Nope; before that you had ECF's leading churches in Asia.
Which ECF was responsible for the FALSE TEACHINGs going on in those CATHOLIC churches that John was instructed to write to by an angel?
There was no full consensus on the doctrine of perpetual virginity within the early Church by the end of the second century, e.g. Tertullian (c.160 – c.225) did not teach the doctrine (although he taught virgin birth), but Irenaeus (c.130 – c.202) taught perpetual virginity, along with other Marian themes.[35] Origen (185-254) was emphatic on the issue of the brothers of Jesus, and stated that he believed them to have been the children of Joseph from a previous marriage.[43] However, wider support for the doctrine began to appear within the next century.[35]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_virginity_of_Mary#Development_of_the_doctrine
“Here is the rest of the challenge for the non-Catholics. Lets see if you can find an Early Church Father from the first 300 years or so that denied the Perpetual Virginity. Several of you have claimed (erroneously) that the Catholic Church did not exist until around 313 AD. So any of the ECF’s would belong to the “mystery Christian” sect and would be all over this.”
Better yet, find any source before 100ad - the time of the Apostlrs. If they taught it, just demonstrate it.
Verga,
I too want to commend the amount of effort you put into your thread post.
Obviously, I don’t agree with all you or your conclusion. No problem there.
Maybe you be richly blessed in His grace. May we all grow in grace and truth.
Be honest here...if someone produced the evidence you are asking for, would it change your mind or will we see that this is just another provocative thread designed to stir up dissension?