I was going by John 10:28-30...
Hebrews says elightened — maybe not saved. As has been pointed out, I’m no theologian. But I believe what Christ said — when we’re saved, no one can snatch us out of his hand. And if God is sovereign, we can’t snatch ourselves out either.
Only God knows if those folks are saved.
Hoss
We’ll have to disagree here.
I don’t think my free will vanished when I got ‘saved’.
If; at some point; I no longer ‘believe’ in the One; I’m toast.