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A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary
Verga | 4/15/16 | Verga

Posted on 04/15/2016 7:25:23 AM PDT by verga

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To: verga
The only ones engaging in eisegesis are those non-Catholics that refuse to accept the plain truth of the scriptures.

You snakes. You brood of vipers.

161 posted on 04/16/2016 4:02:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
The only ones engaging in eisegesis are those non-Catholics that refuse to accept the plain truth of the scriptures.

The plain truth just isn't ENOUGH for Rome; it has to add more.

162 posted on 04/16/2016 4:03:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
Be honest here...if someone produced the evidence you are asking for, would it change your mind or will we see that this is just another provocative thread designed to stir up dissension?

Evidence HAS been provided many a time.

It's called *Scripture*.

And you are quite correct. It would not change anyone's mind.

When people would rather depend on the fancies and imaginings of men over the sure true Word of God, then there's simply not much more to say to them.

Even if someone rose from the dead......

163 posted on 04/16/2016 4:04:59 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone
And it started very early the Protoevangelium of James.

Oh?

It started WAY earlier than that; for the NT is replete with error being taught in the churches (Catholic ones; we are told): culminating in John's instruction; given by an angel; to WRITE to those churches in ASIA and WARN them of their error.

164 posted on 04/16/2016 4:06:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
Anything that shows the false teachings of catholicism ol' Arty immediately calls it hate.

It is DESIGNED to put a person on the defensive; wasting his or her time trying to prove that they are NOT a HATER!!!.

Do not be fooled; my friends; by this tactic.

You may have been called a booger eater on the playground; but it gains NO traction on FR any more!

165 posted on 04/16/2016 4:08:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga

I read the article.

My disagreeing with it doesn’t mean I didn’t read it.

My reading it does not mean that I am going to agree with it.

You have not presented a case strong enough to counter Scripture and convince someone of your position.

If you think that someone is going to agree with you just because they read the article and are overwhelmed by the *brilliance* of your argument, you are very mistaken.

And again, what is so wrong with sex that it throws so many Catholics into a tailspin over the thought that Mary would have had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born and the prophesy was fulfilled?


166 posted on 04/16/2016 4:09:10 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: verga
Nothing of the sort, I think the non-Catholics are projecting their own scriptural inadequacies.

OOOH!

This sounds WAY more highfalutin' than mere HATER!!!

167 posted on 04/16/2016 4:11:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
And since I documented that there was not a chance of James being a uterine brother of Christ, it simply proves my point beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I thought you've said many times: "GOD can do anything."

168 posted on 04/16/2016 4:12:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

Once again; you try to trump emotion with logic.

Good luck...


169 posted on 04/16/2016 4:13:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
STRONGS CONCORDANCE, I CUT AND PASTED CITED THE NUMBERS.


170 posted on 04/16/2016 4:20:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga

Frustratin’; isn’t it; when no one pays attention to you.

Yell a little louder.

Perhaps your god is asleep; or pursuing...


171 posted on 04/16/2016 4:22:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
SO God sends an angel to tell Joseph he can go ahead and commit adultery with Mary while she's supposed to be married to God Himself?


SO God sends an angel to tell John to write to the seven CATHOLIC churches in Asia about all the error they teach.

172 posted on 04/16/2016 4:23:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
As are all of the marian dogmas. It’s all part of the worship of the Catholic Mary who is not Mary of the bible.

Mary of the bible is not mentioned much after, "Behold your mother."

173 posted on 04/16/2016 4:27:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
Maybe you don’t know this but the Roman Catholic church makes belief in the Marian dogmas (her sinlessness, her perpetual virginity and her bodily assumption into heaven) mandatory.

I imagine we'll get the usual suspects coming from the woodwork to refute this statement.

174 posted on 04/16/2016 4:29:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
In your opinion.

An improvement over "BoogerBreath".

175 posted on 04/16/2016 4:30:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

And where are all those churches now?


176 posted on 04/16/2016 4:31:20 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie

I didn’t see Jesus address the church in ROME. Did you?


177 posted on 04/16/2016 4:31:45 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie
"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,

no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.

There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."

Sister Lucia dos Santos




The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1 Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9. I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13. I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

178 posted on 04/16/2016 4:33:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; boatbums
1.2 personal interpretations of the CCC. Or the magisterium. Or what they heard from the pulpit last Sunday. I wonder who's going to interpret the CCC for them.

Or the ex cathedra statements by the pope.

Surely if Catholics are so reading comprehension challegned that they cann't read and understand Scripture, they are not capable of understanding anything else they read.

And based on the number of times I've said something and someone responds with *Why do you believe (fill in the blank)?* when I said nothing of the sort, ........

179 posted on 04/16/2016 4:35:40 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie
"A new one for the list..."

Well then, here's the whole Akathist. It's just full of praises to the Most Holy Theotokos for your list. We've been chanting this since 626 AD. Last night, the 5th Friday in Great Lent, we chanted the whole thing. And all along you Western Protestants thought the Latins were the ones who were into Panagia...!

"Having secretly received the command, the Archangel hastened into Joseph's abode and spoke to the Holy Virgin. He Who bowed the Heavens with His descending, is wholly contained, yet unchanged in You. And seeing Him taking the likeness of a servant in your womb, I stand in amazement and cry unto you:

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin [3 times].

Kontakion Unto you, O Theotokos, invincible Champion, your City, in thanksgiving ascribes the victory for the deliverance from sufferings. And having your might unassailable, free us from all dangers, so that we may cry unto you:

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

The Archangel was sent from Heaven to cry 'Rejoice!' to the Theotokos. And beholding You, O Lord, taking bodily form, he stood in awe, and with his bodiless voice he cried aloud to her such things as these:

Rejoice, you through whom joy shall shine forth. Rejoice, you whom the curse will vanish.

Rejoice, the Restoration of fallen Adam. Rejoice, the Redemption of the tears of Eve.

Rejoice, O Height beyond human logic. Rejoice, O depth invisible even to the eyes of Angels.

Rejoice, for you are the King's throne. Rejoice, you bear Him, Who bears the universe.

Rejoice, O Star revealing the Sun. Rejoice, O Womb of divine Incarnation.

Rejoice, you through whom creation is renewed. Rejoice, you through whom the Creator is born a Babe.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

Beholding herself in purity, the holy one courageously said to Gabriel: Your strange voice seems almost unbelievable to my soul; for how do you speak of birth-giving without seed? crying aloud:

Alleluia.

Seeking to know the incomprehensible knowledge, the Virgin cried to him who ministered to her: How many a Son be born from a virginal womb? Tell me! To her he answered in fear, yet crying thus:

Rejoice, O seer of the ineffable Will. Rejoice, O surety of those praying in silence.

Rejoice, you the Preface of Christ's miracles. Rejoice, you the Pinnacle of His commandments.

Rejoice, O heavenly Ladder, by which God descended. Rejoice, O Bridge leading those from earth to Heaven.

Rejoice, O Miracle, much marveled of Angels. Rejoice, O trauma, much dirged of demons.

Rejoice, you who ineffably gave birth to the Light. Rejoice, you who revealed the mystery to none.

Rejoice, O knowledge superceding the wise. Rejoice, You who enlightens the minds of the faithful.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin

The power of the Most High then overshadowed the Virgin, that she might conceive; and her fruitful womb He made a fertile meadow for all those desiring to reap salvation, as they chant:

Alleluia.

Carrying God in her womb, the Virgin hastened to Elizabeth, whose unborn babe forthwith recognizing Mary's salutation rejoiced, and with leaps as it were with songs, he cried out to the Theotokos:

Rejoice, O branch of the unwithering Vine. Rejoice, O Land yielding the untainted Fruit.

Rejoice, O Husbandry of the merciful Husbandman. Rejoice, O birthgiver to the Planter of our life.

Rejoice, O Field bearing abundant compassion. Rejoice, O Table laden with an abundance of mercies.

Rejoice, for you make the meadow produce contentment. Rejoice, for you prepare a haven for souls.

Rejoice, acceptable Incense of intercession. Rejoice, Oblation for all the world.

Rejoice, Favour of God to mortals. Rejoice, Access of mortals to God.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

Having doubtful thoughts, the righteous Joseph was troubled; for he suspected a secret union as he beheld you unwed, O blameless one; but when he learned of your conception through the Holy Spirit, he cried

Alleluia.

On hearing the Angels praising the incarnate presence of Christ, the shepherds hastened as to a Shepherd, and beholding Him as a spotless Lamb, pastured in Mary's womb, her they hymned, and said:

Rejoice, Mother of the Lamb and Shepherd. Rejoice, Fold of the rational sheep.

Rejoice, O Defense against invisible foes. Rejoice, Opener of the gates of Paradise.

Rejoice, for the things of Heaven rejoice with the earth.

Rejoice, the things of earth join chorus with the Heavens.

Rejoice, never-silent Voice of the Apostles. Rejoice, never-conquered Courage of the Martyrs.

Rejoice, firm Support of the Faith. Rejoice, shining Token of grace.

Rejoice, you through whom Hades was laid bare. Rejoice, you through whom we are clothed with glory.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

Beholding the Godward-pointing Star, the Magi followed it radiance; and holding it as a lantern, they sought through it the mighty King. And having approached the Unreachable, they rejoiced and cried to Him:

Alleluia.

The sons of the Chaldees saw in the hands of the Virgin Him Who by His hand fashioned man; and sensing Him as Lord, even though He had taken the form of a servant, they hastened with gifts to do homage, and they cried out to her who is blessed:

Rejoice, Mother of the never-setting Star. Rejoice, Dawn of the mystic Day.

Rejoice, you who has quenched the fiery furnace of error.

Rejoice, you who enlightens the initiates of the Trinity.

Rejoice, you who has removed the inhuman tyrant from power.

Rejoice, you who has shown Christ, the man-befriending Lord.

Rejoice, you who has redeemed us from the pagan religion.

Rejoice, you who has rescued us from the works of mire.

Rejoice, you who ceased the worship of fire.

Rejoice, you who saves us from the flames of passions.

Rejoice, Guide of the faithful to chastity.

Rejoice, O Delight of all generations.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

Having become God-bearing heralds, the Magi returned to Babylon. Fulfilling Your prophecy, and having preached You as the Christ to all, they left Herod as a trifler, who knew not how to chant:

Alleluia.

Having shed the light of truth in Egypt, You expelled the darkness of falsehood; and unable to bear Your strength, O Saviour, her idols fell; and they that were set free from them cried to the Theotokos:

Rejoice, Uplifting of men.

Rejoice, Downfall of demons.

Rejoice, you who trampled upon the delusion of error.

Rejoice, you who censured the deceit of the idols.

Rejoice,Sea which drowned the symbolic Pharoah.

Rejoice, Rock which refreshed those thirsting for life.

Rejoice, Pillar of fire, guiding those in darkness.

Rejoice, Protection of the world, more spacious than a cloud.

Rejoice, Nourishment, successor to manna. Rejoice, Minister of holy joy.

Rejoice, Land of promise. Rejoice, you from whom flows milk and honey.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

When Symeon was prepared to leave from this age of deception, You were presented to him as a newborn Babe, but he recognized You as perfect God. Wherefore, he marvelled at Your ineffable wisdom, chanting:

Alleluia.

New was the Creation which the Creator showed to us His creatures, when He sprang forth from the seedless womb; and He preserved it incorrupt, even as it was, that we, seeing this Miracle, may praise her saying:

Rejoice, Flower of incorruption.

Rejoice, Crown of self-restraint.

Rejoice, O shining Token of Resurrection.

Rejoice, you whom reflects the life of the Angels.

Rejoice, Tree of delectable Fruit that nourishes the faithful.

Rejoice, well-shaded Tree under which many find shelter.

Rejoice you who bears the Guide of those astray.

Rejoice, you who gives birth to the Redeemer of captives.

Rejoice, Intercession before the righteous Judge.

Rejoice, Forgiveness for many transgressors.

Rejoice, Robe of confidence for those bare of courage.

Rejoice, Tenderness conquering all desire.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

Seeing a strange childbirth, let us estrange ourselves from the world by transporting our minds to Heaven; to this end the Most High God appeared on earth a lowly man, that He might draw to the heights those who cry out to Him:

Alleluia.

The Infinite Word was wholly present with those on earth, yet never absent from those in Heaven; for this was a divine condescension and not a mere change of place; and His birth was from a Virgin chosen of God, who heard such words as these:

Rejoice, Land of the Uncontained God.

Rejoice, Gate of the sacred mystery.

Rejoice, doubtful Rumour of the faithless.

Rejoice, undoubtful Pride of the faithful.

Rejoice, all-holy Chariot of Him Who is above the Cherubim.

Rejoice, most excellent Dwelling-place of Him Who is above the Seraphim.

Rejoice, you who conducts the opposites of unity.

Rejoice, you who has woven maidenhood into motherhood.

Rejoice, you through whom transgression is annulled.

Rejoice, you through whom Paradise is open.

Rejoice, Key of the Kingdom of Christ.

Rejoice, Hope of eternal blessings.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin

All angel-kind was amazed by the great deed of Your Incarnation; for they saw the inaccessible God as Man accessible to all, dwelling among is and hearing from all:

Alleluia.

Orators most eloquent do we behold mute as fish before you, O Theotokos; for they are at loss to explain how you could remain a virgin and yet give birth. But as for us, marvelling at this mystery, we cry with faith:

Rejoice, Vessel of the Wisdom of God.

Rejoice, Treasury of His providence.

Rejoice, you who proves the philosophers fools.

Rejoice, you who proves the logicians illogical.

Rejoice, for the subtle debaters are confounded.

Rejoice, for the inventors of myths are faded away.

Rejoice, you who breaks the webs of the Athenians.

Rejoice, you who fills the nets of the Fishermen.

Rejoice, who draws us from the depths of ignorance.

Rejoice, you who enlightens many with knowledge.

Rejoice, Raft for those who desire to be saved.

Rejoice, Haven for those who fare on the sea of life.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

Wishing to save the world, to this end did the Ruler of all come of His own will; and, though as God He is the Shepherd, for us He appeared as a Man like us; for by this likeness He called those of like kind, yet as God He hears:

Alleluia

You are a fortress protecting all virgins, O Theotokos and Virgin; for the Master of heaven and earth prepared you, O Immaculate One, and dwelt in your womb, and taught all to cry out to you:

Rejoice, Pillar of virginity.

Rejoice, Gate of salvation.

Rejoice, Leader of spiritual restoration.

Rejoice, Bestower of divine goodness.

Rejoice, for you regenerated those conceived in shame.

Rejoice, for you gave guidance to the thoughtless.

Rejoice, you who abolished the corrupter of hearts.

Rejoice, you who gave birth to the Sower of chastity.

Rejoice, bridal Chamber of a seedless marriage.

Rejoice, you who joined the faithful to the Lord.

Rejoice, fair Nursing-mother of virgins.

Rejoice, bridal Escort of holy souls.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

Defeated is every hymn that strives to pay homage to the multitude of Your many compassions; for even should we offer You, O holy King, odes of praise numberless as the sands, we should still have done nothing worthy of what You have given to us who cry to You:

Alleluia.

As a brilliant beacon-light shining to those in darkness do we behold the holy Virgin; for she kindles the celestial Light and leads all to divine knowledge; she illuminates our minds with radiance and is honoured by these our cries:

Rejoice, Ray of the spiritual Sun.

Rejoice, Beam of the innermost Splendour.

Rejoice, Lightning, enlightening our souls.

Rejoice, Thunder, striking down the enemy.

Rejoice, for you caused the many-starred Light to dawn.

Rejoice, for you caused the ever-flowing River to gush forth.

Rejoice, you who depicts the image of the Font of Siloam.

Rejoice, you who washes away the stain of sin.

Rejoice, Laver purifying conscience.

Rejoice, Wine-bowl over-filled with joy.

Rejoice, sweet-scented Fragrance of Christ.

Rejoice, Life of mystic festival.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin

Wishing to bestow His grace, He that forgives the ancient debts of all mankind came of His own will to dwell among those who departed from His favour; and tearing up writ of indebtedness, He hears from all:

Alleluia.

Whilst praising your Offspring, we all praise you, O Theotokos, as a living temple; for the Lord, Who holds all things in His hand, dwelt in your womb, and He sanctified and glorified you, and taught all to cry to you:

Rejoice, Tabernacle of God the Word.

Rejoice, Holy one, holier than the Hollies.

Rejoice, Ark made golden by the Spirit.

Rejoice, inexhaustible Treasury of Life.

Rejoice, precious Diadem of godly kings.

Rejoice, venerable Boast of faithful priests.

Rejoice, unshakeable Tower of the Church.

Rejoice, impregnable fortress of the Kingdom.

Rejoice, you through whom trophies are raised up.

Rejoice, you whom enemies are cast down.

Rejoice, Healing of my flesh.

Rejoice, Salvation of my soul.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin.

O all-hymned Mother, worthy of all praise, who brought forth the Word, the Holiest of all Saints [3 times], as you receive this our offering, rescue us all from every calamity, and deliver from future torment those who cry with one voice: Who is more

Alleluia. 1st Stanza

The Archangel was sent from Heaven to cry: Rejoice! to the Theotokos. And beholding You, O Lord, taking bodily form, he stood in awe, and with his bodiless voice he cried aloud to her such things as:

Rejoice, you through whom joy shall shine.

Rejoice, you the Redemption of the tears of Eve.

Rejoice, Height hard to climb for human thought.

Rejoice, Depth hard to explore even for the eyes of Angels.

Rejoice, for you are the Throne of the King.

Rejoice, for you sustained the Sustainer of all.

Rejoice, Star that causes the Sun to appear.

Rejoice, Womb of the divine Incarnation.

Rejoice, you through whom creation is renewed.

Rejoice, you whom the Creator is born a Babe.

Rejoice, O Bride Ever-Virgin"

180 posted on 04/16/2016 4:38:38 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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