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To: MHGinTN

Catholics have not denied the importance of Faith, but you do exclude from your beliefs some important teachings of Jesus, such as the Real Presence.

http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/did-tertullian-and-st-augustine-deny-the-real-presence

Actually, the Fathers of the Church were clearly unanimous when it comes to the Real Presence. As far as Tertullian is concerned, there is some question as to whether or not he should be categorized as a true Church Father because of the fact that he died a Montanist heretic. But that doesn’t really matter for our purpose here, because he clearly did believe in the Real Presence anyway.

When Tertullian and St. Augustine use the term “figurative,” they do not mean to deny the Real Presence. In the texts cited, St. Augustine, for example, is warning against falling into the trap of believing the Lord was going to cut off parts of his body and give them to us. This would be cannibalistic and that is a definite no-no.

Indeed, both Tertullian and St. Augustine are emphasizing the fact that the Lord’s body and blood are communicated under the “appearances,” “signs,” or “symbols” of bread and wine. “Figure” is another synonym for “sign.” Even today the Catechism of the Catholic Church uses the terms “sign” and “symbol” to describe the Eucharist in paragraphs 1148 and 1412.

St Augustine Sermons 234, 2 (ca. AD 400):

The Lord Jesus wanted those whose eyes were held lest they should recognize Him, to recognize Him in the breaking of the bread. The faithful know what I am saying. They know Christ in the breaking of the bread. For not all bread, but only that which receives the blessing of Christ, becomes Christ’s body.

Yes. It is either your personal opinion or the Protestant talking points.

I encourage you to critically examine the teachings of the Catholic church which is true to the teachings of Jesus.

Obviously the Catholic Church is made of of imperfect men and women, but I believe that Catholic church has not erred in the teachings of Jesus.

I understand that many christian churches want to increase their membership and sometimes waiver from the true teachings of Jesus. Many do not accept the word of God, but come up with various ways to dispute or change the meaning. I can’t say how the Lord views those that seem to express faith in God but do not believe all that he taught. God wants us to love Him and our neighbor.


164 posted on 04/10/2016 7:53:30 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
Actually, the Fathers of the Church were clearly unanimous when it comes to the Real Presence.

You're saying ALL of the ECFs believed this. You might want to research that statement. I believe you are in error.

173 posted on 04/10/2016 9:55:33 AM PDT by ealgeone (The)
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To: ADSUM
Catholics have not denied the importance of Faith, but you do exclude from your beliefs some important teachings of Jesus, such as the Real Presence.

Gee thanks!

But it's a shame your salvation seems to depend on faith PLUS.

219 posted on 04/10/2016 1:45:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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