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To: ADSUM
JESUS, not MHGinTN, stated on more than one occasion that faith in Him is paramount. Your inserting that little "but" exposed the mind in you which does not take JESUS (Who is GOD) at HIS WORD.

Look carefully at that quote from Augustine regarding the figurative nature of what you keep insisting in John's Gospel means you must eat the literal flesh and blood, to ingest the literal soul and DIVINITY of God. Augustine has it right and catholiciism has it satanically wrong, mocking GOD.

argue that I'm posing 'my opinion', but will you dismiss Augustine also?

160 posted on 04/10/2016 6:28:31 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN

Catholics have not denied the importance of Faith, but you do exclude from your beliefs some important teachings of Jesus, such as the Real Presence.

http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/did-tertullian-and-st-augustine-deny-the-real-presence

Actually, the Fathers of the Church were clearly unanimous when it comes to the Real Presence. As far as Tertullian is concerned, there is some question as to whether or not he should be categorized as a true Church Father because of the fact that he died a Montanist heretic. But that doesn’t really matter for our purpose here, because he clearly did believe in the Real Presence anyway.

When Tertullian and St. Augustine use the term “figurative,” they do not mean to deny the Real Presence. In the texts cited, St. Augustine, for example, is warning against falling into the trap of believing the Lord was going to cut off parts of his body and give them to us. This would be cannibalistic and that is a definite no-no.

Indeed, both Tertullian and St. Augustine are emphasizing the fact that the Lord’s body and blood are communicated under the “appearances,” “signs,” or “symbols” of bread and wine. “Figure” is another synonym for “sign.” Even today the Catechism of the Catholic Church uses the terms “sign” and “symbol” to describe the Eucharist in paragraphs 1148 and 1412.

St Augustine Sermons 234, 2 (ca. AD 400):

The Lord Jesus wanted those whose eyes were held lest they should recognize Him, to recognize Him in the breaking of the bread. The faithful know what I am saying. They know Christ in the breaking of the bread. For not all bread, but only that which receives the blessing of Christ, becomes Christ’s body.

Yes. It is either your personal opinion or the Protestant talking points.

I encourage you to critically examine the teachings of the Catholic church which is true to the teachings of Jesus.

Obviously the Catholic Church is made of of imperfect men and women, but I believe that Catholic church has not erred in the teachings of Jesus.

I understand that many christian churches want to increase their membership and sometimes waiver from the true teachings of Jesus. Many do not accept the word of God, but come up with various ways to dispute or change the meaning. I can’t say how the Lord views those that seem to express faith in God but do not believe all that he taught. God wants us to love Him and our neighbor.


164 posted on 04/10/2016 7:53:30 AM PDT by ADSUM
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