Posted on 04/08/2016 7:34:38 AM PDT by Salvation
It was always a good idea; in the place where I retired from; to tell the boss what he wanted to hear.
To get good ISTEP scores, students are taught what is likely to be on the test...
Pax vobiscum.
Nope. I'm calling your chosen religious group a LIAR. Either that or it is deceived.
Which is it?
Does the following still apply or not?
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Nope; just Catholics...
Papacy began: 8 January 1198: Papacy ended: 16 July 1216:
Nothing else that Rome puts out is 'needed'.
Who were obviously wise enough to KNOW that the WORDS of men cannot be trusted sometimes.
The The words of David “Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it." (2 Samuel 23:16-17) is the TRUTH. David explicitly said that potable water was the blood of men who basically gave their lives out of love for him, and thus he would not drink it, but poured it out on the ground as an offering to the Lord. Obviously for this to be true than some sort of transubstantiation. But those fundamentalists insist this was figurative language! They can can either follow David with the Truth or not. Attempting to rationalize the words of David is not truthful and leads to rejecting the One whom David prophesied of.
In confirmation of this we have the words of Joshua, showing that men can be nourishing bread: “Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us” (Num. 14:9)
Likewise, seeing that it was either eat the flesh of men or be eaten, David said that his enemies came to “eat up my flesh,” (Ps. 27:2) and that workers of iniquity ”eat up my people as they eat bread , and call not upon the Lord.” (Psalms 14:4) The Promised Land itself feared as “a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof.” (Num. 13:32)But once again those fundamentalists insist this was figurative language!
Then we have the disciple whom Jesus loved referring to Jesus transubstantiating Himself as “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world,” and as “the door of the sheep," and "the Light of the world” the true "vine," all of which yes, once again, those fundamentalists insist this was figurative language.
Yet they deny that John 6 is speaking literally because (they claim) that in Scripture believers always obtained spiritual life by believing the words of the gospel, these being spirit, and life, (Acts 15:7-9) but that no soul ever obtained spiritual life by literally physically eating anything, directly contrary to the absolute imperative statement of Jn. 6:53! Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. (John 6:53)
And that the way Jesus lived by the Father, which He taught was analogous to how believers would live by Him, As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. (John 6:57) , was by obeying His word, which is what man is to live by, (Mt. 4:4) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4) and thus the lover of metaphors, John, records that the Lord said that doing the Father's will was His "meat." Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. (John 4:34)
And that John himself only testifies to eating and drinking Jesus as referring to wholly receiving the Lord Jesus and then living for Him, as this what he teaches elsewhere in his gospel and letter, and his description of the Lord's supper is hardly that of the synoptic gospels, not even describing any eating or the Lord giving feed, except to Judas Iscariot, and never recording what Catholics insist are the words of consecration.
And then they go all through the rest of the NT in search of any description of the Lord's supper being that of the centerpiece of worship and sacramental grace as a sacrifice for sins by the hands of a distinct sacerdotal class of clergy called "priests," and eaten in order to obtain spiritual life, and find none! Only the seemingly informal breaking of bread, and with the only manifest description of the Lord's supper (outside of Jude's "feast of charity" in v. 12) being that in which union with Christ and each other is the focus, and the "body" at issue is that of the church.
But those fundamentalists, while they reject the aforementioned references to OT and NT use of eating or drinking as being literal, yet they also hold that all the OT historical accounts are literal, and that the NT writers also treated them thusly, contrary to so much esteemed Catholic scholarship. But trusting the one true crurch to provide us with the Truth then we know we are safe.
/sarcasm
I truly hope/pray that you find God’s Truth and follow it.
(My day for making all kinds of typing errors.)
They are words of truth, but they are in figurative language, not literal language. Here's more of that figurative language, and a nice spiritual song to illustrate it:
How can Jesus be a loaf of bread and a fountain of living water both at the same time? with wine in a cup as His blood to remember Him with?
Only figuratively speaking, that is how! These are spiritual truths for instruction and edification of simple (but not ignorant) people!
Perhaps you missed this:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3419899/posts
God is full of surprises and shows us signs of His Truth.
May God help you become a true believer.
That happened a long time ago, before your time probably. And whatever you think you believe on based on this link is the fruit of another gospel, not the one of the Bible or of my Savior in Heaven.
Christians are true believers.
In Jesus.
NOT in church.
Apparently you didn’t read the article.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3419899/posts
Your comment: “That happened a long time ago, before your time probably.”
- Yes, Christmas Day 2013 was long ago.
As The Bishop of Legnica I hereby announce to the public and inform about an event that took place in the parish of St. Jack in Legnica which has the signs of the Eucharistic miracle. On 25th December, 2013 during the distribution of the Holy Communion, a consecrated Host fell to the floor and then was picked up and placed in a water-filled container (vasculum). Soon after, stains of the red colour appeared. The former Bishop of Legnica, Stefan Cichy, set up a commission to observe the phenomenon. In February 2014, a tiny red fragment of the Host was seperated and put on a corporal. The Commission ordered to take samples in order to conduct the thourough tests by the relevant research institutes.
In the final announcement of the Department of Forensic Medicine we read as follows: In the histopathological image, the fragments of tissue have been found containing the fragmented parts of the cross striated muscle. (...) The whole (...) is most similar to the heart muscle with alterations that often appear during the agony. The genetic researches indicate the human origin of the tissue.
So do you believe that the Catholic Eucharist is the real Body and Blood of Jesus? Apparently not. So what is your basis that this miracle is the product of another gospel? Can one buy that gospel book? Your logic amazes me!
How do you explain this miracle that was affirmed by science?
There are many Eucharistic Miracles documented. Feel free to read the book Eucharistic Miracles by Joan Carroll Cruz.
I see that you are still living in the 13th century.
So I presume that you have died and already have the answer.
I thought you said that the dead couldn’t talk.
You seem to be rambling about; with nothing to say; yet an urge to say it.
So how was living in the 13th century?
It would be great to hear a first hand experience.
I could say the same about you. “You seem to be rambling about; with nothing to say; yet an urge to say it.”
“The Devil comes with all signs and lying wonders” ... guess who is falling at his feet.
2 Thess 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [King James Version]
2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous signs, lying wonders, 10 and every type of evil to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. 11 For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. 12 Then all who have not believed the truth but have taken pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned. [ISV]
2 Thess 2:5 Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, 9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, 10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: 12 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. [DRB]
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