Perpetual virginity

OSV.com ^ | 03-09-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[Elsie]

There wasn't any in vitro fertilization 2000 years ago.

When was the turkey baster invented?

[Elsie]

The one holy catholic apostolic church declared as dogma (a fundamental of the faith) the Unity and Trinity of God. If someone who is a baptized Christian publicly denies the Holy Trinity, such a one has departed from the faith and is a heretic.

Nice try; but the jury has ALREADY SEEN the evidence to rebut your undocumented claim here.

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

 

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.

--Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1

[Elsie]

Are you asking about Hymenaeus and Philetus ?

Is LookOverThere! the ONLY game you've mastered?

[Elsie]

I will repost, with the corrections and expansion, so that you can easily follow:

Baghdad Bob, Jr. really doesn't care at all how much time you are wasting here; for...

There are NO tanks in Baghdad!!

[Elsie]

I will repost, with the corrections and expansion, so that you can easily follow:

Baghdad Bob, Jr. really doesn't care at all how much time you are wasting here; for...

There are NO tanks in Baghdad!!

[Elsie]

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church:

I had thought you guys had given up on this one; as it's been SO long gone.

[Elsie]

Just think of them as early Protestants having an independent Bible study.

I think that early Catholics are MUCH more interesting in their accurate theology leanings.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1-3&version=DRA

[Mark17]

Preach it.

[Elsie]

Catholicism added all its traditions just like the Jewish religious leaders did in the day of Jesus and He soundly condemned them for adding to His word and tying burdens on men that they could not bear, burdens God NEVER intended to be there.

Ol' Pete WARNED them; but NO!.....

1 Peter 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your Early_Church_Fathers;

[Elsie]

If you are unique, none other, alone, singular....it is plenty hard to disagree with you.

And yet you Catholics slavishly follow what Rome tells you; instead of listening to the words of our Savior found in the BOOK that Rome assembled.

Strange...

John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

[Elsie]

So, if He had been born in modern times by a C-Section, that wouldn't have counted????

MODERN???

Cesarean section has been part of human culture since ancient times and there are tales in both Western and non-Western
cultures of this procedure resulting in live mothers and offspring.

According to Greek mythology Apollo removed Asclepius, founder of the famous cult of religious medicine,
from his mother's abdomen. Numerous references to cesarean section appear in ancient Hindu, Egyptian, Grecian, Roman,
and other European folklore. Ancient Chinese etchings depict the procedure on apparently living women.

The Mischnagoth and Talmud prohibited primogeniture when twins were born by cesarean section and waived
the purification rituals for women delivered by surgery.

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/part1.html

[Elsie]

They don't,

Sorry; but evidence has already given give that shows your statement to be incorrect.

Why are today's Catholics STILL so UNEDUCATED and ignorant?

[Elsie]

Your thinking is kind of fuzzy.

It is MORE than made up for by being so relentless.

[Elsie]

Uhhh. Mark 3:30 says" that was because they were saying, he has an unclean spirit.".....what does that have to do with anything in this discussion.

Grasp at a straw...

(among many other passages from the Gospels)

[Elsie]

Just a question....how did Luke know that this scenario happened??

Shouldn't you be asking Luke?

Instead of trying to get a Prot to mindread him?

[Elsie]

The Holy Spirit's interpretation is clearly pointed out in Catholic teaching....and ONLY in Catholic teaching.

Sure; Baghdad Bob clone #3.

You are right.

[Elsie]

There is no "bad" sex, some is just better than others.

Oh?

Never watched Sex sent me to the ER on cable?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=sex+sent+me+to+the+er&form=EDGEAR&qs=PF&cvid=cf936ad49e6d4657be2f7d21c8a44636&pq=sex%20sent%20me%20to%20the%20er

[Elsie]

The doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary was upheld as Biblical by a number of ecumenical councils in the first millennium of Christianity.

IIRC, disagreeing with the CHURCH in this period could be quite detrimental to one's continued existence during this time.

[Elsie]

However, I don't think most theological dissenters are formal heretics. This is because they lack --- I think --- either the degree of knowledge or the degree of intentionality which would have to be there, to constitute a mortal sin.

Another Catholic invention. Pointed out for the sake of clarity.

[Elsie]

That is, they are not willfully and obstinately disobedient to Christ.

I am willfully and obstinately disobedient to Rome's teaching on a LOT of things.

How well does THIS sit with the One True Church?