Posted on 02/23/2016 8:17:35 AM PST by Salvation
So contraception really is OK now?
And there really is no salvation outside the Catholic church.
tc:No they don't.
Absolutely they do.
These differences are so important that there has been no reconciliation in nearly a thousand years after the split. The Eastern Orthodox differ with Roman Catholicism on these issues:
The Holy Spirit (the filioque)
In EO - The third person of the Trinity, proceeding from the Father alone as in the original Nicene Creed. The Father sends the Spirit at the intercession of the Son. The Son is therefore an agent only in the procession of the Spirit.
In RC - 'When the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, He is not separated from the Father, He is not separated from the Son'.
Mary - Assumption and Immaculate conception of
EO - The Assumption is accepted and it is agreed that Mary experienced physical death, but the Immaculate conception is rejected. Orthodox belief is that the guilt of original sin is not transmitted from one generation to the next, thus obviating the need for Mary to be sinless.
RC - Both are dogmas of the church. The church has not as yet decided whether Mary actually experienced Physical death. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception states that Mary, was at conception 'preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin' and should not be confused with the virgin birth.
Pope - Authority of
EO - As the Bishop of Rome, he has a primacy of honour when Orthodox, not of jurisdiction. At present, his primacy is not effective as the papacy needs to be reformed in accordance with Orthodoxy. His authority is thus no greater or lesser than any of his fellow Bishops in the church.
RC - The Pope is the 'Vicar of Christ' i.e. the visible head of the church on earth and spiritual successor of St. Peter. He has supreme authority (including that over church councils) within Christendom (The Power of the keys).
Pope - Infallibility of
EO - Papal Infallibility is rejected. The Holy Spirit acts to guide the church into truth through (for example) ecumenical councils. This Orthodoxy recognises the first seven ecumenical councils (325-787) as being infallible.
RC - The Pope is infallible when, through the Holy Spirit, he defines a doctrine on faith and morals that is to be held by the whole church. This is a dogma and is therefore a required belief within Catholicism.
Purgatory
EO - An intermediate state between earth and heaven is recognised, but cleansing and purification occur in this life, not the next.
RC - A place of cleansing and preparation for heaven. Also a place where the punishment due to unremitted venial sins may be expiated.
I'd say these were the "biggies", but other differences also exist. These are explained here.
I am going to gently call you an this one, my dear bro and Friend. This "St Peter at the Gates" is a pernicious, ubiquitous false picture of peter admitting or denying suppliants to heaven through capricious use of what people have been taught to think of as literal "keys" to the Kingdom of Heaven.
Of course it absolutely requires that one cannot know what his eternal destination is, until after physical death.
Please, my brother, please don't use this illustration, even jokingly, as it lends support to "earning your way to heaven" and denies salvation by faith alone, to be known excepted, experienced, and lived in this world.
Respectfully . . .
This is an entirely specious proposition, and gives me the idea that you think that I and all your readers are idiots and fools, especially as you destroy the context in which the "working out one's salvation" occurrs in the Scripture selection it appears.
Please stop this implicit accusation that your target audience is a bunch of fools. You are just wasting bandwith to keep this running skirmish alive, when it should have died when we stopped researching what exactly the Phillipian 3rd chapter passage is about, as discussed by Charles Pope.
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Ok, where're we going with this, TC?
Give your reason/excuse/justification.
Unarguably.
(Sigh . . .)
Sure, AV. And I might even review your irrelevant scripture passage if you make it eadable, and without your uninteresting citation legible.
Here is the advantage I/we saved "Christians" have now that the middle wall of the temple separating the Gentile adherents from the Hebrew constituents, was broken down and removed:
"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Wherefore remember, that ye (1)being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are
(2)called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were
(3) without Christ, being
(4) aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and s
(5) strangers from the covenants of promise,
(6) having no hope, and
(7) without God in the world:
But now
(1) in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off
(2) are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath
(3) made both one, and hath (4) broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having
(5) abolished in his flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to
(6) make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might
(7) reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
(8) having slain the enmity thereby:
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and
to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are
(1) no more strangers and foreigners, but
(2)fellowcitizens with the saints, and
(3)of the household of God; And are
(4) built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto
an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom
(5) ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."
(Eph. 2:10-22)
I am of the commonwealth of the Kingdom of The God, whose temporal extension on earth is the Kingdom of heaven composed of local assemblies giving their allegiance to the Lord of Heaven, impure, but His.
Another legiimate question?
. . . to be known, excepted accepted, experienced, and lived in this world.
Your definition is not accurate; agnostic: 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
3. a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic:
I was homeschooled from the age of about 2 or 3 (You might say I was a victim of homeschooling) so I know a lot about all the major religions. My education was also heavy in math and the sciences, not so much on the fine arts.
What prevents you from believing it?
The vicious attacks I see and have received by professing believers. The outright hypocrisy that some have expressed here, holding others to one standard, but not holding themselves to the same. The outright refusal to consider the opinions of others. The list could go on and on.
Let's face it there are a lot of really nasty people calling themselves "Christian" here.
Sure it is, I am high "fiving" you right now. LOL.
Welcome to Rome, fellow travelers!
Today we'll be riding the bus to visit the Coliseum, Fontana di Trevi and St. Peter's Square.
That does NOT mean that they will be ENFORCED equally; Right terycarl??
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
I'VE mentioned things found in the book of Acts...
...I've mentioned things NOT found in the book of Acts as well.
John 6:63
The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life-giving
Yes, the Catholic need to stop it, don't they?
What a Friend we have in Spell Chek;
It, our errors doeth remove...
We will never be embarrassed,
Our pour spelin’ will make smooth.
http://www.hymnsite.com/midifiles/umh526.mid
I’ve just upped the game...
Yet 578-580 are gone.
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