Posted on 02/11/2016 2:10:24 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
So all physical Jews who have ever been born will be saved?
Romans says “ so ALL Israel will be saved”
Does ALL mean ALL?
Funny, I remember someone telling the Jews in his day in John 8, that unless they believed he was the one sent from God, they would die in their sin.
I guess He didn’t understand ALL Israel was going to be saved, whether they believe or reject Jesus.
Exactly!
Israel and the Church have completely different destinies.
The Church, is also not to be confused for the Tribulation Saints who lose their lives via martyrdom at the hands of the A/C. They are mentioned in Revelation 7:9-17 and they also have a different destiny than the Church & Israel.
Replacement Theology is from the pit of hell!
Paul never called the Gentile church Israel, only that they are grafted into Israel
obviously not. But at some point ,God will save all of the remaining Jews in one day...see Zechariah 12
There is no Gentile Church any more than there is a Jewish Church.
There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ, the barrier is broken down, all are one new man in Christ.
So “ all Israel” now means remaining Jews?
That is you opinion, the NT doesn’t teach that anywhere.
Amen Bro! So few see this--from Bosrah, through Edom/Petra.
"The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea" (Isa. 34:6 AV)
I have already said that the Gentiles and Jews are one man n Christ. But there is a difference between Israel and the church...Who was Paul, the apostle to the gentiles speaking to in this passage? He was speaking to Gentiles in the church...
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
You need to learn the message of Romans 9-11
Yeah, right.......sigh.
Verse 14 shows Paul was not speaking of physical Jews when later he says “ so all Israel will be saved”
” and might save some of them” - clearly speaking about unbelieving Jews.
The Israel that will be saved is the Church, comprised of Jews and Gentile believers in Christ.
I already quoted Paul in Ephesians 2 saying believing Gentiles are fellow citizens with believing Jews in the commonwealth of Israel.
Unbelieving Jews and unbelieving Gentiles are not part of the commonwealth of Israel, in fact, they are part of Satan’s kingdom and enemies of God.
Tell me, this “miracle” you speak of in the country of Israel. Are they witnesses of God or enemies of God?
“That and the apostasy in the Catholic Church foretold by Matthew 24:10-28.”
Read and realize that you are lacking in the knowledge and wisdom from God.
Revelation 2:18-29
Not just Islamic enemies, but also King of the East. And other Confederations.
Yes! Very good...Michah also mentions something about Basrah...
Sure, I agree. If you read Obadiah, Malachi, Isaiah 63, Ezekiel 25&35, and other references, God specifically calls out Edom for everlasting judgement. Ezekiel’s description of the borders of Edom covers much of Saudi Arabia and Southern Jordan...the current epicenter of radical Islam...Mecca/Medina
Thank You brother Jan, I’ll look at those scriptures.
Jan_Sobieski did you look at that article,I posted to you on Ezekiel’s 430, days and how if you work the mathematics, you get 1948 and 1967, interesting yes?
I will look again, Stonewall!
Born again is not what Christ said. Christ said born from above... Meaning at conception a ‘soul/spirit’ is placed in the womb. And only those that take this flesh journey pass the first requirement to ‘see the kingdom of God’. Born again is a slogan that does not fit with what Christ was teaching... Check out the book of Jude.... there are some that refuse to take this flesh journey and they are call the Sons of God in Genesis and fallen angels elsewhere. And they like the devil have already been judged to death.
John 3:13 explains what Christ was teaching.” And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven
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