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To: Mom MD; vladimir998; redgolum; lightman
LCMS Lutherans do not deny the Real Presence We just believe that it exists along with (in with and under) the elements In other words bread and wine still exist as well And we do not worship the elements or believe that Christ is offered for sin again in communion He suffered and died once for all and it was finished on the cross. Communion is a solemn but joyful celebration for us

I never implied that Lutherans denied the Real Presence, I simply pointed out that there are distinct differences between Lutheran beliefs on the matter and Catholic or Orthodox beliefs.

I do not believe Luther worshipped Mary or called her the blasphemous title of mother of God

Read Thesis 75.

Any rejection of the title Theotokos and her perpetual virginity didn't enter mainline Protestantism until long after the original Reformers were dead. Luther and Calvin advocated burning people at the stake for rejecting Marian teachings that had been central to Christianity for over a thousand years.

41 posted on 02/09/2016 4:58:26 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

One of the best ways to begin with understanding Luther’s view of Mary is Luther’s Marian hymn, completed A.D. 1545, one year before his death.

Luther scholars frequently—generally correctly—differentiate between “young, Catholic Luther” and “old, Protestant Luther”. Well, here is “old Protestant Luther, some 28 years after posting the 95 Theses sounding very Catholic indeed:

To me she’s dear, the worthy maid,
And I cannot forget her;
Praise, honor, virtue her are said,
Then all will love her better.
I seek her good,
And if I should
Right evil fare,
I do not care,
She’ll make up for it to me
With love and truth that will not tire,
Which she will ever show me,
And do all my desire.

She wears of purest gold a crown
Twelve stars their rays are twining,
Her rainment, glorious as the sun,
And bright from far is shining.
Her feet the moon
Are set upon
She is the bride
With the Lord to hide.
Sore travail is upon her;
She bringest forth a noble Son
Whom all the world must honor,
Their king, the only one.

That makes the dragon rage and roar,
He will the child upswallow;
His raging comes to nothing more;
No jot of gain will follow.
The infant high
Up to the sky
Away is heft
And he is left
On earth,all mad with murder.
The mother now alone is she,
But God will watchful guard her.
And the right Father he.


43 posted on 02/09/2016 5:14:30 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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