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To: paladinan

Tell me why “god” would oppose one fool for another as the leader of a pagan nation?


43 posted on 01/27/2016 12:36:39 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Amnesty advocates call me "Tio Tomas")
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Tell me why “god” would oppose one fool for another as the leader of a pagan nation?

I take it you don't believe in Him. All right.

NOWHERE did I say that God "endorses" (so to speak) any given candidate. Christianity teaches PRINCIPLES, not CANDIDATES. Christianity teaches, for example, that so-called "gay marriage" is wrong, and that abortion is a particularly callous and evil sort of murder. It also says that we can never will any evil, even if some good would allegedly result. (Look up the "principle of double-effect" for details about how to parse that out in situations where some evil effects are unavoidable.) It also says that fighting such objective moral evils takes precedence over ANY worldly concerns. No one is morally justified in supporting (or even dismissing as an issue) abortion, even if the cost is the complete destruction of the United States.

Does that sound extreme? God was here long before the USA existed; He's be here long after the USA is gone. Our Founding Fathers would never have supported "USA, right or wrong---USA, at any cost!"; they knew that the USA was supposed to be "one nation, under God"... not "one God, under the USA". The second is idolatry, plain and simple.

46 posted on 01/27/2016 12:47:39 PM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Didn't God choose a pagan named Constantine and show to him on the eve of the decisive Battle of the Milvian Bridge a vision in the sky of the Cross and the Latin words: In Hoc Signo Vinces (In this sign, you will conquer). Constantine ordered his soldiers to put the cross visibly on their clothing and they did and they won and he became Roman emperor. Constantine and his opponent were pagan fools. God chose one over the other and that one became a Christian and made Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire which had been viciously persecuting Christians under his predecessor, Diocletian. That's why!

In our day, maybe God wants to raise up a POTUS who will end abortion and stop the long slide to moral degeneracy that we have suffered at least since Ronaldus Maximus had to retire. God has a lot of reasons to let the US be destroyed but maybe He is not finished with us yet. Only He knows.

75 posted on 01/27/2016 8:58:42 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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