Posted on 01/17/2016 6:42:01 AM PST by Salvation
That way, I KNOW I can't be wrong.
The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.
John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no wine."
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
I don't know. I don't speak for all Protestants.
First off, you have to know for sure that the person the church has labeled a saint is actually IN heaven.
Then you need to know that they can hear and answer prayer, and there's not a single verse of Scripture that indicates that that is possible.
Then one ought to consider what an affront to God and Jesus it is to not trust them enough to pray to the Father as Jesus commanded.
For Catholics to constantly harp on *Do whatever He tells you*, they sure are pretty good at NOT doing what Jesus tells them.
Jesus taught His disciples to pray and that meant going straight to the Father as He instructed and believing, trusting, having actual faith in the promises that the Word made flesh made to us that the Father would hear and answer our prayer Himself.
Additionally, does anyone seriously think that a saint or Mary are going to answer prayers or get answers for us that God won't give us Himself after He PROMISED to hear and answer our prayers?
So what would possess anyone to go to someone, anyone, less than the Father Himself to ask Him for something?
If Catholics don't think the Father would give it to them if they asked, why would they ever think that He would give it to them if someone else asked?
It'd be like you asking the neighbor kid for your dad to give you something because you don't think your dad would give it to you himself, but is more likely to give it to you if your friend asked rather than the son.
Especially considering that they teach that God cannot refuse Mary anything so they think if they pray to her, they'll be able to have her get it for them. That means they think that Mary is more compassionate and cares more for us that God does.
What a low view of God Catholics have.
“What a low view of God Catholics have. “
That is a denigrating statement and you should report yourself to the Religion Moderator.
That would called necromancy. It is forbidden. It is evil. The only ones who respond, are demons.
So you dispute that the statements are believed by Catholics, and perpetrated by Catholicism?
Don’t those statements show a “low view of God?”
Looks like metmom posted a fact considering the evidence shows what she concluded. An opinion, BTW.
You are welcome to debate any issue you don’t agree with here.
Maybe so... but it doesn't change the fact the the RCC practices idolatry in the form of Mary worship.
Hoss
You have been here long enough to know that CATHOLICS DO NOT WORSHIP MARY.
Unlike some here who worship a book.
:-)
From your lips to God’s ear.
I’m ready any time He is.
You will never see a Christian do that to a Bible.
Yet there are millions of these statues out there to show how to treat the Catholic Mary.
Idolatry
I've been here long enough to read that RCCs pray to Mary; seek her intercession -- and are taught that she has authority granted to her THAT SHE DOES NOT HAVE.
Please, if you will, explain why CCC 969 contradicts God's inerrant, inspired word in 1 Timothy 2:5-6 -- God's Word says:
" 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time."
While CCC 969 says:
"This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."
Hmmm. God says one mediator -- Jesus. Roman Catholic Cult says Mary is a "Mediatrix" who provides grace and salvation.
But wait... God says in Acts 4:10-12:
"10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by him this man is standing before you well. 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Wow. God says there is salvation in no one else -- no other name under heaven by which we must be saved except-JESUS.
Where in Scripture does God say anything about Mary providing salvation? Intercession?
As for that idiotic canard of "worshipping a book" -- really. I don't get down on my knees or genuflect to it like RCCs do to statues of Mary or boxes of crackers.
Nice try, but no cigar.
Hoss
Not only do too many catholics worship Mary, they even worship at altars dedicated to Mary worship, complete with statues of what the Vatican approves as an image for her. If you are ever in Rome go watch what devout catholics do when they reach the Pieta (sp?), the statue of Mary with the crucified Christ on her lap. And she is proportionally much larger than Christ ... Yeah, Catholics worship Mary and are taught that she is a mediator between man and Jesus.
Okay, you’ve shown the answer to the query. I may just post the Bible Study, anyway, and you can then ignore that, too.
Praying for someone is a form of mediation, which is what we ask Mary to do for us. Are you saying that no one should pray for anyone else?
Love,
O2
“That would called necromancy. It is forbidden. It is evil. The only ones who respond, are demons.”
Really, is this a unifying protestant belief? Are there no protestants who believe that saints in heaven can hear our prayers? How do you ever find lost things? ;-)
Love,
O2
That is a denigrating statement and you should report yourself to the Religion Moderator
Unless you can back it up with a post that shows it is true.
Christians do not worship a book.
Rember Jesus is the Word made Flesh, he is worthy to be worshiped.
I ask God to show me where they are.
And He does.
OTOH, Catholics freely admit they worship the eucharist. They admit they worship a white wheat wafer.
You don’t know if some Protestants believe in praying to saints in heaven? Yet you condemn the practice as a Catholic affront to God? If Protestants believe this too, where does that leave your argument?
Where do you believe people who are saved go when they die? I thought that was the point of being saved, to be sure you would go to heaven when you die.
If anyone had bothered to read the article, you would see that Catholics take the wedding at Cana story as an example of a way to ask Jesus for help. Because that is exactly what it portrays. Mary alerted Jesus to a problem (which He already knew about, of course) and He solved it. Would He have done it otherwise, would the wine steward or whoever have approached Jesus personally?We don’t know. What we have is a story of Mary interceding with Jesus on behalf of someone else, and that person received the benefit of a miracle from Jesus. Of course we go directly to Jesus, but sometimes we also go through Mary and the saints, just as in this scripture clearly shows.
Just as Jesus gave the disciples power to heal and perform miracles in His name, we believe the saints in heaven have been given this power, too. There is nothing in scripture that says this is not possible and it in no way diminishes God’s power.
Heaven is the condition of being united to God as part of the Body of Christ. Why would being given a part of God’s power when you are part of God be so hard to believe?
Love,
O2
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