Biblical Basics about Mother Mary -- A Homily for the Second Sunday of the Year

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-16-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[metmom]

There are and I’ve encountered some of them even here on FR.

[metmom]

.....And her last words spoken in the Bible.

*Do whatever he tells you.

OK, let's consider that and how Catholics obey it.

Try this verse on for size.

Call no man father

Matthew 23:1-12 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

[metmom]

.....And her last words spoken in the Bible.

*Do whatever he tells you.

OK, let's consider that and how Catholics obey it.

Try this verse on for size.

Prayer Matthew 6:7-15 "And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. Pray then like this:

' Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Luke 11:1-13 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples." And he said to them, "When you pray, say:

'Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread, and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.'"

And he said to them, "Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, 'Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him'; and he will answer from within, 'Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything'? I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs."

"And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

where are we commanded to pray to anyone by God the Father? Can you show us anywhere where Jesus commanded us to pray to Mary?

[ealgeone]

From the article.....

Now, scholars argue about whether or not the pronoun is masculine or feminine in the sentence, “She is to crush thy head”—that is, whether it refers to the Virgin Mary or Jesus Christ. But I’m going to let you in on a little secret: it doesn’t matter. You see, Jesus is going to crush Satan through Mary. She is the instrument Jesus is going to wield when he destroys his ancient enemy.

The Hebrew behind this indicates the pronoun is he.

Douay-rheims is the only major version to translate the passage in Genesis 3:15 as "...she shall crush thy head..."

More bad theology based on a bad translation.

Now, Revelation tells us how this final battle will go.

7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Rev: 20:7-10 NASB

[daniel1212]

I see that this thread took off in debate.

As if that was not expected, seeing as the last promo is still going at over 2,500 posts. The problem is that each one is part of an overall extreme exaltation of a mortal far above and contrary to what is written, (cf. 1 Co. 4:6) for which there is no excuse. That certain RCs insist on posting such provocative posts knowing that most of the respondents will be evangelicals who object to it seems to indicate a desire to push buttons, perhaps to incite such as to get them banned.

[DungeonMaster]

Demontfort

24. God the Son imparted to his mother all that he gained by his life and death, namely, his infinite merits and his eminent virtues. He made her the treasurer of all his Father had given him as heritage. Through her he applies his merits to his members and through her he transmits his virtues and distributes his graces. She is his mystical channel, his aqueduct, through which he causes his mercies to flow gently and abundantly.

[daniel1212]

No, because Tonsignor Pope's interpretation imports external ideas into the text as key to its interpretation. One would not find all that drivel in John 2 about Mary arranging a "mystical marriage" or "they have no wine" being an intercessory prayer, unless those things were already assumed to be true of Mary.

Well said, in other words, he is reading into Scripture what he wants it to say, as Scripture can be an abused servant for Rome that is compelled to support her traditions.

[ADSUM]

From a homily of Father Paul.

The Jewish number 7 referred to divine completion (perfection), so the 6 jugs of water referred to less than perfect or complete.

So Christ’s miracle of turning the water into wine signaled the divine completion.

[verga]

I believe that there is a difference ealgeone and eagle1.

[MHGinTN]

Would you mind explaining to me how a mortal can be the progenitor of God?

[daniel1212]

Explains the utter hatred one sees directed toward Our Lady. Sad. Prayers up.

How can you utter such a perverse conclusion? That is no more valid than a Mormon saying we hate Christ because we reprove its extrascriptural and contrascriptural teachings on Him! By

your measure it could be said that it is the Mary of Scripture that Catholics hate since they insist on making here into an almost almighty demigodess. And is a cultist was attacking the character of the Scriptural Mary then i would also want to earnestly contend against them, as i did with a salon.com atheist who made Mary the subject of "cosmic rape!"

Now go search the Scriptures (Acts 17:11) and find where:

Any other intercessor in Heaven btwn God and man for him to come to is named except Christ.

Anyone prayed to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord, out of approx. 200 prayers (pagans excepted).

Anyone but God is shown to have the ability to regularly hear from Heaven all the prayers addressed to them and respond (false gods excepted).

Anyone kneeling before a statute and praying to the one it represented (pagans excepted) appears.

There is any sanction of kneeling before a NT believer in praise and adulation and beseeching such for heavenly favor.

Any NT believer is already bodily resurrected and crowned in Heaven.

Any man or women except Christ is said to be sinless, despite the Holy Spirit characteristically mentioning extraordinary aspects of subjects in Scripture, from excess age, to excess fingers, to excess strength, exceptional fasts and other miracles, to exceptional speed, to strange diet, to exceptional holiness, to sinlessness.

Any marriage btwn men and women of procreative ability is shown that was not consummated.

Mary arraigned the marriage in Jn. 2. and persisted in conversation until she obtained what she sought.

Or where Scripture teaches of a Mary:

• whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

• who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

• and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

• and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

• for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

• "surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

• so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

• and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

• for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

• Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

• and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

• including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

• whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

• and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

• and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation

Sources and more.

[Elsie]

His regard for Scripture is shown in the mistranslation of Genesis 3 where he claims that it is the woman who will crush Satan's head.

I'd guess that "the bride of Christ" would be a woman...

[Elsie]

24. God the Son imparted to his mother all that he gained by his life and death, namely, his infinite merits and his eminent virtues.

HERESY!!!

[DungeonMaster]

24. God the Son imparted to his mother all that he gained by his life and death, namely, his infinite merits and his eminent virtues.

HERESY!!!

De Montfort really understands Mary from the Catholic perspective.

[HossB86]

De Montfort really understands Mary from the Catholic perspective.

What De Montfort does is describe heresy and 'another gospel'...that of mariolatry.

Hoss

[DungeonMaster]

What De Montfort does is describe heresy and 'another gospel'...that of mariolatry.

Well, I'd say that De Montfort spells out why Mary is called the Mother of God in the RCC. It's really not a simple semantics error.

[DungeonMaster]

De Montfort

25. God the Holy Spirit entrusted his wondrous gifts to Mary, his faithful spouse, and chose her as the dispenser of all he possesses, so that she distributes all his gifts and graces to whom she wills, as much as she wills, how she wills and when she wills. No heavenly gift is given to men which does not pass through her virginal hands. Such indeed is the will of God, who has decreed that we should have all things through Mary, so that, making herself poor and lowly,, and hiding herself in the depths of nothingness during her whole life, she might be enriched, exalted and honoured by almighty God. Such are the views of the Church and the early Fathers.

[verga]

So sad that not a single specific, or even vague scripture states that Scripture is to be the sole rule of faith, sole source of revelation or pillar and foundation of truth.