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1 posted on 01/01/2016 8:18:12 AM PST by NRx
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“Thou shalt not commit idolatry.”


2 posted on 01/01/2016 8:19:05 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (TDS: Hating Trump more than loving America.)
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The iconoclastic movement was connected in part with pressure from Islam which has a far more ferocious opposition to ANY sort of image of any living creatures.


4 posted on 01/01/2016 9:14:41 AM PST by ZULU (Mt. McKinley is the tallest mountain in N. America. Denali is Aleut for "scam artist.")
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NRx:

Nice article by this Orthodox Priest. This Catholic can’t find anything I disagreed with.


5 posted on 01/01/2016 9:35:12 AM PST by CTrent1564
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bkmrk


6 posted on 01/01/2016 9:51:42 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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“In fact, there was never any movement of Christians that accepted iconography, but rejected their veneration, prior to the Protestant Reformation.”

The absence of something from the details of historical record does not mean that it did not exist. History is largely made up of things we cannot possibly know.

What we do know is that EVERY time in scripture that objects were bowed down to, and offered sacrifices and incense to, those objects, even if originally constructed under God’s command, had to be destroyed. Even the temple itself was destroyed by God twice because of the corruption of worship and the defilement it caused.

No movement is necessary until there becomes a problem with willful rejection and disobedience to the commands of God.

When the scriptures teach plainly that the serpent Moses lifted up for people to look (not bow to, or pray to, or offer sacrifices to) was commanded by God and yet had to be destroyed because it became and idol, how can the “church” refuse to acknowledge even the possibility or danger of icons becoming idols?

The New Testament also warns to flee idolatry. It does not say that relics and icons are so important that the idolatry command is trivial.

1 John 5:21
Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

1 Corinthians 10:14
Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.

Nowhere does the Bible command Christians to use objects, icons, relics in worship (with the one exception of the perishable elements of communion). These are inventions of men. The Bible does not instruct the church about choirs, pews, stained glass windows, air conditioning, or even buildings of any kind. Does this mean they are wrong? No. But it does mean they are non-essential. And trying to make traditions of men into commands of God is the worse sort of false prophesying.

God did not forbid pictures, images, beautiful buildings and art. He did forbid bowing to them, praying toward them, and offering sacrifices to them. When these idolatrous practices happen, it becomes necessary to purge these objects because they defile God’s temple (the spiritual temple not made with hands).

And like God’s Spirit departed from the Old Testament temple because of the horrible corruption, God’s Spirit left the Catholic organization masquerading as the Church. He remained with His true church “outside the camp”.

See Ezekiel chapters 8-11.


7 posted on 01/01/2016 10:25:28 AM PST by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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Didn't God tell the Israelites to do this?

There's the difference.

11 posted on 01/01/2016 11:47:00 AM PST by ealgeone
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Israelites had extensive iconography

Yes, but the cherubim were decoration, they didn't address prayers to the them.

13 posted on 01/01/2016 11:59:29 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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Think, just for a moment about how stories could be told to the masses when virtually noone could read. Icons, pictures, stained glass and other visual aids were used. Pictorial stained glass windows in cathedrals were instrumental in passing the word of Christ to the people......how else?


34 posted on 01/01/2016 2:41:47 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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Lots of drawings in the catacombs of the early church.


38 posted on 01/01/2016 3:02:13 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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For those who do not know, this priest is a convert (from Nazarene). Attended Oral Roberts U where he first learned of Orthodoxy. He is a very good apologist. His blog is very informative.


68 posted on 01/04/2016 5:11:12 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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