[Elsie]

Meaningless ritual in Her case....but, of course, she had no way of knowing that she had been born without sin.

Really?

"Ya know, {insert Mary's mother's name here}, that little girl of yours NEVER seems to get into trouble.

What is your child raising secret?"

[terycarl]

"Ya know, {insert Mary's mother's name here}, that little girl of yours NEVER seems to get into trouble. What is your child raising secret?"

"children" getting into "trouble" are not committing sin...sin is an intentional act against God....kids don't do that.....usually.