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To: metmom

No, you are just ignorant when reading the Scriptures.

James and Jude are listed by the Holy Spirit inspired Sacred Scriptures as the sons of Alpheus. Do you dare to disagree with the Holy Spirit on this matter?

Joseph and Simon the Zealot are close relatives of Jesus, there is no word in the original Aramaic to distinguish between a brother and a first or second male cousin. The English word “brethren” captures this very nicely.

But how many times do Catholics have to go over this same ground with certain strains of protestants, it is so ridiculous, like arguing with an insane person.

The perpetual vow of virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary is no different than that taken by any Carmelite nun. They are called “Brides of Christ”, the Holy Spirit is their Spouse. She discussed this vow with the Archangel Gabriel at the moment prior to the Incarnation of God the Word, I can’t believe any honest person would miss it. Why is breaking that vow so important in the minds of certain protestants?


1,137 posted on 01/06/2016 9:53:21 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific
Did the Angel tell Joseph to go ahead and take Mary as his wife? Did the Angel tell Joseph that what is conceived in her is Holy, implying, not of human origins where ALL descendants from Adam are born in sin? Does The Bible tell us that God The Father Almighty prepared a body for The Son because the blood of sheep and bulls could not redeem mankind?

BTW, would you be so kind as to point me to the Bible passage where the following can be found? ... The perpetual vow of virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

1,139 posted on 01/06/2016 10:02:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: blackpacific
But how many times do Catholics have to go over this same ground with certain strains of protestants, it is so ridiculous, like arguing with an insane person.

It's an easier job than playing chess with pigeons; I hear.

1,160 posted on 01/07/2016 3:55:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: blackpacific
James and Jude are listed by the Holy Spirit inspired Sacred Scriptures as the sons of Alpheus.

Do you dare to disagree with the Holy Spirit on this matter?



Another listing, inspired by the Holy Spirit, found in the Sacred Scriptures...


Mark 3:31-32
31 And his mother and his brethren came; and standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32 And the multitude sat about him; and they say to him: Behold thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.


Do you dare to disagree with the Holy Spirit on this matter of Jesus having BROTHERS?

1,161 posted on 01/07/2016 4:00:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: blackpacific
James and Jude are listed by the Holy Spirit inspired Sacred Scriptures as the sons of Alpheus. Do you dare to disagree with the Holy Spirit on this matter?

Where? Chapter and verse.

Also, are you claiming that there was only one man alive at the time by the name of *James* or *Jude*?

The perpetual vow of virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary is no different than that taken by any Carmelite nun. They are called “Brides of Christ”, the Holy Spirit is their Spouse. She discussed this vow with the Archangel Gabriel at the moment prior to the Incarnation of God the Word, I can’t believe any honest person would miss it. Why is breaking that vow so important in the minds of certain protestants?

There is no Scriptural record of Mary making any vow before God of perpetual virginity.

Why do Catholics think that sex between a woman and her husband is sinful?

If Mary was betrothed to the Holy Spirit, then she would have been committing adultery to be become betrothed to Joseph. That betrothal to Joseph was every bit as legitimate a marriage as any> Joseph considered DIVORCING her when he found out she was pregnant until the angel told him to take her AS HIS WIFE.

HE didn't have any clue about any perpetual vow of virginity or claim of Mary being the *spouse of the Holy Spirit* or he wouldn't have considered such actions and been needed to be stopped by God.

The word for *brothers* in Greek means just that... *brother*, and they are listed BY NAME in the Gospels.

Psalm69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.

Matthew 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Matthew 12:46-47 "While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."

Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?"

Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?... Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?"

John 2:12 "After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days."

Acts 1:14 "These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."

1 Corinthians 9:4-5 "Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?"

Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother..

Strong's Concordance

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

adelphos: a brother

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: adelphos

Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')

Short Definition: a brother

Definition: a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian.

Here is a link to the occurrences of the Greek word *adelphos*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

The word *sister* (adelphe) in the Greek is the same.

http://biblehub.com/greek/79.htm

The word used is *brother* not *cousin*.

It can't mean a member of the same religious community in the context in which they occur, because then that would mean every man in Israel could be identified as Jesus' brother. So that would not identify Jesus as anyone in particular's brother.

It's not going to mean *brother in Christ* as that concept was not yet in place and the Jews, who knew Jesus as a Jew and knew His brothers as Jews, would not even begin to understand the new birth and what being in Christ meant.

They didn't even understand who JESUS was, much less being a *brother in Christ*.

The only definition left then, is to mean physical brother.

And it would not be *cousin*.

The word for *relative* that is used for Elizabeth is *suggenes*, not *adelphe*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/4773.htm

Strong's Concordance

suggenes: akin, a relative

> Part of Speech: Adjective

Transliteration: suggenes

Phonetic Spelling: (soong-ghen-ace')

Short Definition: akin, a relative

Definition: akin to, related; subst: fellow countryman, kinsman.

They knew the difference in those days between immedicte family, brothers and sisters, and extended family, cousins....

1,179 posted on 01/07/2016 5:24:58 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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