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Mary, Mother of God
The Sacred Page ^ | December 29, 2015

Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer

January 1 is the Solemnity (Holy Day) of Mary, Mother of God.  To call Mary the “Mother of God” must not be understood as a claim for Mary’s motherhood of divinity itself, but in the sense that Mary was mother of Jesus, who is truly God.  The Council of Ephesus in 431—long before the schisms with the Eastern churches and the Protestants—proclaimed “Mother of God” a theologically correct title for Mary. 


So far from being a cause of division, the common confession of Mary as “Mother of God” should unite all Christians, and distinguish Christian orthodoxy from various confusions of it, such as Arianism (the denial that Jesus was God) or Nestorianism (in which Mary mothers only the human nature of Jesus but not his whole person).

Two themes are present in the Readings for this Solemnity: (1) the person of Mary, and (2) the name of Jesus.   Why the name of Jesus? Prior to the second Vatican Council, the octave day of Christmas was the Feast of the Holy Name, not Mary Mother of God.  The legacy of that tradition can be seen in the choice of Readings for this Solemnity.  (The Feast of the Holy Name was removed from the calendar after Vatican II; St. John Paul II restored it as an optional memorial on January 3.  This year it is not observed in the U.S., because Epiphany falls on January 3.)

1.  The First Reading is Numbers 6:22-27:


The LORD said to Moses:
“Speak to Aaron and his sons and tell them:
This is how you shall bless the Israelites.
Say to them:
The LORD bless you and keep you!
The LORD let his face shine upon
you, and be gracious to you!
The LORD look upon you kindly and
give you peace!
So shall they invoke my name upon the Israelites,
and I will bless them.”

This Solemnity is one of the very few times that the Book of Numbers is read on a Lord’s Day or Feast Day.  Here’s a little background on the Book of Numbers:

The Book of Numbers is a little less neglected than Leviticus among modern Christian readers, if only because, unlike its predecessor, it combines its long lists of laws with a number of dramatic narratives about the rebellions of Israel against God in the wilderness, which create literary interest.  The name “Numbers” is, perhaps, already off-putting for the modern reader—it derives from the Septuagint name Arithmoi, “Numbers”, referring to the two numberings or censuses, one each of the first and second generations in the Wilderness, that form the pillars of the literary structure of the book in chs. 1 and 26.  The Hebrew name is bamidbar, “In the Wilderness,” which is an accurate description of the geographical and spiritual location of Israel throughout most of the narrative.
         The Book of Numbers has a strong literary relationship with its neighbors in the Pentateuch.  In many ways it corresponds with the Book of Exodus.  Exodus begins with the people staying in Egypt (Exodus 1-13), then describes their journey to through the desert (Exodus 14-19), and ends with them stationary at Sinai (20-36).  Numbers begins with the people staying at Sinai (Num 1-10), describes their journey through the desert (Num 11-25), and ends with them stationary on the Plains of Moab.  Sinai and the Plains of Moab correspond: at each location the people will receive a covenant (see below on Deuteronomy).  Furthermore, there are strong literary connections between the journeys through the Wilderness to and from Sinai (Ex 14-19; Num 11-25).  Both these sections are dominated by accounts of the people of Israel “murmuring” (Heb. lôn), “rebelling” (Heb. mārāh), or “striving” (Heb. rîb) against the LORD and/or Moses, together with Moses’ need for additional help to rule an unruly people (Ex 18; Num 11:16-39), and God’s miraculous provision for the people’s physical needs (Ex 15:22-17:7; Num 11:31-34; 20:1-13).  This is evidence of careful literary artistry: the central Sinai Narrative (Exod 20–Num 10) is surrounded by the unruly behavior of the people wandering in the desert.
         Numbers also has a close relationship with Leviticus.  If Leviticus established a sacred “constitution” for the life of Israel, exhibiting a logical, systematic order concluded, like a good covenant document, with a listing of blessings and curses (Lev 26), Numbers is more like a list of “amendments” to the “constitution,” together with accounts of the historical circumstances that led to their enactment.  And like the lists of amendments on many state and national constitutions, the laws have an ad hoc, circumstantial character, with little logical connection between successive “amendments.” 
         Finally, Numbers “sets the stage” for the Book of Deuteronomy, providing us the necessary information about Israel’s geographical and moral condition when they arrived at the “Plains of Moab opposite Jericho” in order to appreciate Moses’ extended homily and renewal of the covenant that he will deliver at this site in the final book of the Pentateuch.

The specific text we have in this First Reading is the famous Priestly Blessing of Numbers 6.  The formula for blessing given to the priests involves the invocation of the Divine Name (YHWH) three times over the people of Israel. 

A Brief Excursus on the Divine Name
“If they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say?” “God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM,” say … “I AM has sent me to you” (Ex 3:13-14).  The revelation of the divine Name to Moses (Ex 3:13-15) is one of the most theologically significant passages of the Old Testament.  By revealing himself as “I AM”, God distinguishes himself from the other gods of the nations, which “are not.”  He is the only God who truly is.  Furthermore, the name “I AM” stresses that God exists of himself; unlike all other beings he does not take his existence from some other cause.  Later philosophical language will describe God as the one necessary being.  While lacking technical philosophical language, the ancients did have the concept of self-existence: in Egyptian religion, the sun-god Amon-RÄ“ “came into being by himself” and all other beings took their existence from him.  However, God reveals to Moses that it is He, the LORD—not Amon-RÄ“ or any other Egyptian god—who is the ground of being and the source of existence. 

The actual word given to Israel to serve as the Name of God is spelled YHWH in the English equivalents of the Hebrew consonants. It is not the full phrase “I AM WHO I AM” but rather an archaic form of the Hebrew verb HYH, “to be,” with the meaning “HE IS.” Out of respect for the third commandment, Jews after the Babylonian exile (c. 597–537 BC) ceased to pronounce the divine name at all, but instead substituted the title “Lord,” in Hebrew adonai, in Greek kyrios.  Thus the God of Israel is called ho kyrios, “the Lord” in the New Testament.  This sheds light on the meaning of the phrase, “Jesus is Lord!” (Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 12:3).

The Hebrew language was written without vowels until around AD 700, when Jewish scribes developed a vowel-writing system.  The form YHWH, however, was written with the vowels for adonai, the word Jews actually pronounced.  The English translators of the King James Version did not understand this system, and in a few instances combined the Hebrew consonants of YHWH (called the tetragrammaton, lit. “the four letters”) with the Hebrew vowels of adonai to form the erroneous name “Jehovah.”  Catholic tradition addresses God with neither the mistaken form “Jehovah” nor the ancient pronunciation “Yahweh,” but uses “LORD” to refer to the God of Israel, in keeping with the practice of Jesus and the Apostles.  In most English Bibles, “LORD” in caps represents YHWH in the Hebrew text, while “Lord” in lower case represents the actual Hebrew word adonai.

The concept of “name” in Hebrew culture was of great significance.  The “name” represented the essence of the person, and invoking the name made the person mystically present.  Therefore, God will speak of the manifestation of his presence in the Temple as the “dwelling of his Name” in various places of the Old Testament.
The invocation of the Name of God over the people of Israel communicates God’s presence and Spirit to them at least a mediated way. 

In post-exilic Judaism, the Divine Name (YHWH) was seldom if ever pronounced, except on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), when the High Priest would make atonement for the whole nation in the Holy of Holies, and then exit the Temple in order to bless the assembled people in the Temple courts.  There, he would pronounce the blessing of Numbers 6, including the vocalization of the Divine Name.  Every time the people would hear the Name pronounced, they would drop prostrate on the ground.  This is recorded in Sirach:

Sir. 50:20 Then Simon came down, and lifted up his hands over the whole congregation of the sons of Israel, to pronounce the blessing of the Lord with his lips, and to glory in his name, and to glory in his name;  21 and they bowed down in worship a second time, to receive the blessing from the Most High.

Similar information is recorded in the Mishnah, the second-century AD collection of rabbinic tradition and teaching that become the basis of the legal system of modern Judaism.  So in the Mishnah, tractate Yoma 3:8 and 6:2:

And [when the people heard the four letter Name] they answer after [the High Priest]: “Blessed be the Name of His glorious Kingdom forever and ever”. (M. Yoma 3:8)

Then, the priests and the people standing in the courtyard, when they heard the explicit Name from the mouth of the High Priest, would bend their knees, bow down and fall on their faces, and they would say, "Blessed be the Honored Name of His Sovereignty forever!" (M. Yoma 6:2)

We read this passage of Scripture in today’s liturgy for a variety of reasons. 

First, we gather as God’s people around the world on this, the first day of the civil year, to ask from God his blessing upon us. 

Second, we commemorate (in the Gospel) the circumcision and naming of Jesus.  For us in the New Covenant, the Name of God continues to be a source of blessing and Divine Presence, but the name we are to use is no longer YHWH but “Jesus.”  Jesus is God’s Name, the source of salvation.  When Paul speaks to the Philippians about the Name of Jesus, he may have in mind the prostrations in the Temple at the Divine Name:

Phil. 2:10  At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth …

It has never been the Christian tradition to pronounce the holy name “YHWH.”  Jesus and the Apostles practiced the Jewish piety of substituting “Lord” (‘adonai, kyrios, dominus) for the pronunciation of the Name.  For this reason, under the pontificate of Benedict XVI, the pronounced name “Yahweh” was removed from contemporary worship resources.  The sect of the Jehovah’s Witnesses insist on the pronunciation of the Name, although their form of pronunciation is erroneous, and there is nothing in Christian tradition or the New Testament to encourage such a practice.  For us, the saving name is now “Jesus,” and although full prostration at the pronunciation of the name of Jesus is impractical, Catholic piety dictates a bow of the head at the mention of the Holy Name.

2.  The Second Reading is Galatians 4:4-7:

Brothers and sisters:
When the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son,
born of a woman, born under the law,
to ransom those under the law,
so that we might receive adoption as sons.
As proof that you are sons,
God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts,
crying out, “Abba, Father!”
So you are no longer a slave but a son,
and if a son then also an heir, through God.

This Reading has ties to the Gospel, which emphasizes Mary’s role in Christ’s birth (“born of a woman”) as well as Jesus and his family being obedient Jews, faithful to the Old Covenant in submitting to circumcision (“born under the law.”)

This Reading also reminds us that Jesus calls us to Divine sonship (or childhood, if gender neutrality is desired).  Let’s not forget that this is unique to the Christian faith.  Christianity—unlike Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Atheism—is a religion about becoming children of God.  In Judaism, Divine childhood is metaphorical; in Islam, it is blasphemy.  In Eastern religions, it is irrelevant, because God is not ultimately a personal being, but rather an impersonal force or essence that animates all or simply is All.  Christianity alone holds out the possibility of familial intimacy with Creator as a son or daughter to a Father.

Let us also notice the close connection between the gift of the Holy Spirit and divine sonship.  From a legal perspective, it is the New Covenant that makes us children of God; from an ontological perspective, it is the Spirit that makes us children.  The sending of the Spirit “into our hearts,” as St. Paul says, is parallel to the inbreathing of the “breath of life” into the nostrils of Adam, causing him to become “a living being.”  So we are revivified by the Holy Spirit, as Adam was brought to life at the dawn of time.  Adam was king of the universe, as it says: “Have dominion over the over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth” (Gen 1:28).  The word “dominion” (Heb radah) evokes the context of kingly rule: later it will be used of Solomon’s imperial reign (1 Kings 4:24; Ps 72:8; 110:2; 2 Chr 8:10).  So the Holy Spirit makes us royalty in Christ: as St. Paul says, “no longer a slave but a son … also an heir, through God.”  No longer a slave to what?  Sin, death, and the devil.  If we live controlled by lusts, in fear of death, and swayed by the suggestions of Satan, than we are still slaves.  If we are free of these things, then we are walking in the Spirit, as children of God.  This is a theme in the First Epistle of John, which is read during daily mass all through the Christmas season.

4.  The Gospel is Luke 2:16-21:

The shepherds went in haste to Bethlehem and found Mary and Joseph,
and the infant lying in the manger.
When they saw this,
they made known the message
that had been told them about this child.
All who heard it were amazed
by what had been told them by the shepherds.
And Mary kept all these things,
reflecting on them in her heart.
Then the shepherds returned,
glorifying and praising God
for all they had heard and seen,
just as it had been told to them.

When eight days were completed for his circumcision,
he was named Jesus, the name given him by the angel
before he was conceived in the womb.

We note several things: Mary “kept all these things, reflecting on them in her heart.”  This is not only an historical indication of where St. Luke is getting his information about these events (so John Paul II [in his Wednesday audience of Jan. 28, 1987] and the Catholic tradition generally), but also a model of the contemplative vocation to which all Christians are called.  Especially during this Christmas season, up until the Baptism (Jan 13), we should carve out some time for quiet prayer, to meditate on the incredible events we celebrate and allow their meaning to sink into our hearts. 

Then we see the shepherds “glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen …”  This, too, describes the Christian’s vocation.  Pope Francis in particular has been calling us to return to the aspect of praise and joy that characterizes the disciple of Jesus.  Our faith is experiential, it is not just a philosophy.  It is an encounter with a person.  All of us should know what it means to come into contact with Jesus, to “hear and see” him.  In his First Epistle (which we are reading right now in daily mass), St. John sounds much like the shepherds:

1John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life —  2 the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us —  3 that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.  4 And we are writing this that our joy may be complete.

Observe the connection in this passage with “seeing” and “hearing” and the culmination in proclamation and joy.  This is what disciples of Jesus do: they experience Jesus and then proclaim in joy what they have encountered.

Finally, we see the naming of Jesus at his circumcision.  Christians no longer practice circumcision, because Baptism is the “circumcision of the heart” promised by Moses that surpasses physical circumcision (cf. Deut 10:16; 30:6; Acts 2:37; Col 2:11-12).  Yet at our Baptism, the “circumcision of our heart,” we still receive our Christian name.

The name given to Jesus is the Hebrew word y’shua, meaning “salvation.”  In the Old Testament, we are more familiar with the name under the form “Joshua,” who was an important type of Christ.  Just as Moses was unable to lead the people of Israel into the promised land, but Joshua did; so also Jesus is our New Joshua who takes us into the salvation to which Moses and his covenant could not lead us.

Salvation is now found in the Name of Jesus, because salvation means to enter into a relationship of childhood with God the Father.  It’s not that other great religious leaders (Mohammed, Buddha, Confucius etc.) claimed to be able to lead us into divine childhood, but couldn’t. It’s that they did not even claim to be able to do so.  Jesus is unique.  So Jesus says, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6).  This is not arrogance.  Jesus is the only great religious founder in human history to proclaim that God is a Father and we can become his children.  This concept of divine filiation is at the heart of the Gospel.  In a sense, it can be said to be the heart of the Gospel. 

On this Solemnity, let us give thanks to God that he has, through Jesus, made a way for us to become his children and receive a new name which he has given us (see Rev 2:17).  This intimate, personal relationship with God has been made possible by the cooperation of Mary, who became the mother of the one whose Name is Salvation. 


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: Elsie

1, 3, 3, 3

How did I do?


2,521 posted on 01/17/2016 4:54:37 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific
Well, as usual with confused minds, you're wrong. I will continue to diminish the catholiciism fantasies regarding The Mother of Jesus when the odd catholic tries to conflate This Blessed Woman with a pagan goddess profile. Mary is the surrogate Mother of the Jesus God's Spirit implanted in her womb. If you want to conflate that great blessing -which has flowed to us all who believe in and rely upon The Grace of God in Christ Jesus- then show your 'proof'. If you want to make claims of a gamete from Mary being used to make the embryonic Jesus, show proof, otherwise the RC fantasy claims are no more valid than my question of sons of Alpheus being the children of Mary and Alpheus after Joseph's dead.

The catholiciism demands that all accept the fantasies of the religion of catholiciism, contradicting the Word of God would be laughable if not so spiritually damning for sincere people. That catholic apologists will try any tactic to shut off opposition tot heir religion's made up empowerment schemes for the catholic hierarchy is seen on these threads every day.

It is interesting that I offer an alternate explanation -NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE- and the very same people who dogmatically believe all sorts of made-up aspects in catholiciism that are not Christianity jump up and oppose it, accusing me of working for satan, in an oblique way of course.

Zoorastrianism has been around longer than catholiciism, with huge numbers who have believed it. Hinduism has been around even longer with even more faithful believers and traditions woven through it. Is that the reason your current Pope tells us that all religions worship the same god?

2,522 posted on 01/17/2016 5:09:30 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: blackpacific; MHGinTN
I think maybe the satanic desire to diminish the role of Mary the Mother of Jesus in our salvation and in the Church is the motivating factor here.

I don't think so. Rather it is simply the Christian desire to be true to the role of Mary in Scripture and the desire to exalt Jesus Christ unto whom belongs all the glory for our salvation.

I think there may very well be a satanic desire to diminish Jesus and his place in Christian life in favor of worshipping a creature over the creator - something we are warned about in Romans chapter 1. If anyone is guilty of conjecturing wild theories and inventing new stuff it is the Roman Catholic church.

2,523 posted on 01/17/2016 5:27:39 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: blackpacific

I don’t know.

It there any evidence that the different discriptions of the women involved ONLY apply to 3 of them?


2,524 posted on 01/17/2016 7:08:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

bump


2,525 posted on 01/18/2016 3:47:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
That's exactly what *mother of God* says. If you mean *mother of Jesus* then say it.

what's the difference between God and Christ?

2,526 posted on 01/18/2016 2:19:34 PM PST by terycarl (COMMOn SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: Elsie
Mary gave birth to Jesus Jesus is GOD Mary is the Mother of GOD

You are catching on!!!!very slowly, but accurately!

2,527 posted on 01/18/2016 2:23:18 PM PST by terycarl (COMMOn SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: The Cuban; ealgeone; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; BlueDragon; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
The problem is that for 1500 years everyone understood what those books meant, and the majority of Christians still do, and it’s not what you say.

For 1500 years people were FORCED to agree with the Catholic church saying what they meant.

Burning at the stake was not an alternative most people wished to face for disagreeing with the "Church".

And of course, the word "church" Is in quotation marks for a reason because no body of Christ was ever in any way commissioned to treat unbelievers or *heretics* in such a manner, so any organization which called itself a church and behaved in such a demonic fashion, was no *pillar and foundation of truth*.

2,528 posted on 01/18/2016 2:49:18 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: The Cuban; MHGinTN; Religion Moderator
"Catholics aren't Christians"-

It that an actual QUOTE of what MHGinTN wrote somewhere else because I don't see that anywhere in the post to which you are responding?

RM, is it not appropriate that if one is going to imply that they are quoting another's words that they use the actual words the other person said?

2,529 posted on 01/18/2016 2:52:50 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl
what's the difference between God and Christ?

You haven't learned that yet?

No wonder you're so confused.......

2,530 posted on 01/18/2016 2:55:16 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: The Cuban

Do not make up quotes and post them to make it look like someone said what you state.

If you use quote marks, make sure you have an actual quote.


2,531 posted on 01/18/2016 3:48:43 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: terycarl

Can you read a definition of progenitor if posted for you? A mortal cannot be the progenitor of God. Mary IS the surrogate Mother of Jesus. Unless you can prove half of Jesus’s chromosomes are from Mary, all you got is surrogacy, albeit a great blessing for her and all of us who trust in Jesus as Savior and Lord.


2,532 posted on 01/18/2016 5:21:30 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: blackpacific

“... desire to diminish the role of Mary the Mother of Jesus in our salvation and in the Church is the motivating factor here.” And therein is reason enough for a Christian to oppose the ‘different gospel’, catholiciism. And yet there are human beings who are born from above despite catholiciisam!


2,533 posted on 01/18/2016 6:49:41 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: blackpacific
Why do you have to come up with these wild theories based upon nothing but post 1500 protestant conjecture? It is really sad. The Catholic Church has the history of the Holy Family from day one. It is an unbroken tradition. Why invent new stuff that does not simultaneously jive with sacred scriptures (your welcome), tradition, the early church fathers, the councils, the teachings of the Holy Father? I think maybe the satanic desire to diminish the role of Mary the Mother of Jesus in our salvation and in the Church is the motivating factor here.

What?! Who is inventing what? Where or were do you see anyone even praying to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord despite approx. 200 prayers by believers in Scripture??? Let alone a women who never sinned, and was a perpetual virgin despite being married (contrary to the normal description of marriage, as in leaving and sexually cleaving) and who would be bodily assumed to Heaven and exalted (officially or with implicit sanction) as

an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition ) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

"surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

who by supernatural spiritual generation is the mother of all Christians;

and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.

2,534 posted on 01/20/2016 9:56:43 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Elsie

I’m not sure what your point is. Can you explain?


2,535 posted on 01/20/2016 7:31:52 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: metmom
what's the difference between God and Christ? You haven't learned that yet? No wonder you're so confused.......

I and the Father are one

When you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.

any more questions???

2,536 posted on 01/21/2016 8:42:34 PM PST by terycarl (COMMOn SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: terycarl

Ahhh, it was YOUR question.


2,537 posted on 01/22/2016 12:26:40 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Chist=God and does NOT bow down to a preist or anyone)
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To: MHGinTN
But Roman Catholicism is not Christianity,

Let's see now......the ONLY FORM OF CHRISTIANITY on Earth for one thousand six hundred years, attempted to be replaced by self-righteous wannabes, misrepresented, misquoted, certainly misunderstood, and lied about, is now not Christianity.....but the 30,000 or so different variations, all different of course.....are true Christianity..........O.K., I guess.....chuckle, chortle, giggle............nah, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

2,538 posted on 01/22/2016 6:42:08 PM PST by terycarl (COMMOn SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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To: terycarl

May God have mercy upon your soul and show you Whom paid the price for Salvation and Whom it is Who will redeem the purchased ones when He fulfills the Promise.


2,539 posted on 01/22/2016 6:44:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
But Roman Catholicism is not Christianity,M

In reality, CATHOLICISM is the ONLY true complete Christian religion.

2,540 posted on 01/22/2016 6:53:36 PM PST by terycarl (COMMOn SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!)
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