Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
Revelation 7:2-4 Then I saw another angel come up from the East, holding the seal of the living God. He cried out in a loud voice to the four angels who were given power to damage the land and the sea, “Do not damage the land or the sea or the trees until we put the seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.†I heard the number of those who had been marked with the seal, one hundred and forty-four thousand marked from every tribe of the Israelites (, New American Bible, Rev. Ed.)
Rev 14:1Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
Rev 22:4 they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.
In 2 Corinthians 1:22, Paul writes that, “the one who gives us security with you in Christ and who anointed us is God; he has also put his seal upon us and given the Spirit in our hearts as a first installment.†Similar language is used in Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30, in which Paul talks about how Christians have been “sealed†with the Holy Spirit.
Although often translated as sealed, the Greek word in these three texts is the same as the one used in Revelation 7:3, sphragizÅ, which one biblical concordance defines as to set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal for a number of purposes, including security from Satan and to prove one’s testimony to a person that he is what he professes to be. Now, in Ezekiel 9, the mark was to be put on the foreheads of those who grieved and lamented the idolatry and abominations of their fellow Israelites. Those so marked would be saved from the destructed that was to be visited upon the sinners. For Catholic Christians reading the Old Testament, it’s all just too much of a coincidence that the Hebrew word mark is also the Hebrew word for a letter of its alphabet that was shaped like a cross—the instrument with which salvation is offered to all men.
and Catholic commentary before you claim the addition:
Tertullian (d. ca. 250) described the commonness of the sign of the cross: "In all our travels and movements, in all our coming in and going out, in putting on our shoes, at the bath, at the table, in lighting our candles, in lying down, in sitting down, whatever employment occupies us, we mark our foreheads with the sign of the cross" (De corona, 30).
St. Cyril of Jerusalem (d. 386) in his Catechetical Lectures stated, "Let us then not be ashamed to confess the Crucified. Be the cross our seal, made with boldness by our fingers on our brow and in everything; over the bread we eat and the cups we drink, in our comings and in our goings out; before our sleep, when we lie down and when we awake; when we are traveling, and when we are at rest" (Catecheses, 13).
Yes unlike you the Church has the authority to teach.
Great job dissecting De Montfort.
When Catholics start waxing Marian I find it helpful to show them I know just how far Marianism goes.
I wonder how many Catholics secretly know these things and how many have never heard them. I remember how shocked I was to find out that Mormons believe in a female goddess who is the mother of spirits and wife of the Father. They don't like to talk about it and say nothing of it when knocking on your door.
There is no given authority to teach in Scripture.
There is a gift of teaching that is given to some by the Holy Spirit which makes them exceptional teachers, but nowhere does God restrict teaching to a special class of people or a certain group of people.
Good post and silly me thinking De Montfort is the High priest of Mary. I believe Pope John Paul the somethingth was also very Marian.
Um, no. Â 2 Peter 1:20, which states that “no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.”
And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever
2Pe 1:12-21 (NASB) (emphasis in bold):
Therefore, I will always be ready to remind you of these things, even though you already know them, and have been established in the truth which is present with you.I consider it right, as long as I am in this earthly dwelling, to stir you up by way of reminder,
knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.
And I will also be diligent that at any time after my departure you will be able to call these things to mind.
For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"—
and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.
But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
In these words the apostle lays down another argument to prove the truth and reality of the gospel, and intimates that this second proof is more strong and convincing than the former, and more unanswerably makes out that the doctrine of the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ is not a mere fable or cunning contrivance of men, but the wise and wonderful counsel of the holy and gracious God. For this is foretold by the prophets and penmen of the Old Testament, who spoke and wrote under the influence and according to the direction of the Spirit of God.
Alas, the personal interpretation of followers of the bishop of Rome have twisted the plain meaning of what the "first" bishop of Rome wrote.
And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
That’s prophecy, not teaching.
IOW, prophecy does not come from anyone but God, it’s not from the individual.
Still no.
So it appears that in your opinion your interpretation is the correct one.
Why?
What makes your interpretation better or more right than anyone else’s?
Absolutely nothing, which is exactly what makes anyone else's better than mine, so these arguments are fruitless since nobody ever seems to start from that basic fact.
Love,
O2
1 - Is the Mary of Catholicism the spouse of God? ... Was she also the spouse of Joseph?2 - Was a sex gamete from Mary used to make the body of Jesus Who gestated in her womb? ... Would this UNION of sex gametes, with a gamete from God, constitute Mary breaking her vows in her espousal to Joseph?
3 - If the Mary of Catholicism is the mother of the god of Catholicism AND the spouse of the god of Catholicism, what would that define this Mary as? ... Is incest forbidden in the Bible?
4 - Why does The Word of God state categorically that Jesus is The Only Mediator between Man and God, if the Catholic Mary is also added as a mediatrix?
5 - Is the body not the soul? ... Is the soul not the spirit? ... Why did Paul write a prayer of blessing in which he differentiated body, soul, and spirit, when writing to Timotheus?
6 - Was the Mary of the Catholic religion the progenitor of God? ... As a mortal being, could Mary be the progenitor of Jesus and not be the progenitor of God? ... If Mary donated no gamete to the building of the body of Jesus, is she anything, anyone, more than a surrogate to the Body of The Lord Jesus Christ? ... I being only the surrogate to the gestating Jesus would Mary have violated ANY vows she made to her spouse Joseph?
7 - What did Jesus mean when speaking with Nicodemus regarding being Born Again, born from above? ... How did Jesus explain how to be born from above?
In #6 “I being only” should read ‘In being only’.
Virtually 99.9999999999 of all Protestants do NOT believe in the continued virginity of... Rome's Mary!What?About the same bunch don't believe in transubstantiation either
Don't believe in this?
the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man - not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ the Eternal and Omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command.
I guess God is letting it run it's course until he unpacks the thunder bolts.
When the priest pronounces the tremendous works of Consecration, he reaches up into heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man.Speaking of Real Christianity...the preceding has nothing to do with our Mighty God and His Son Jesus.
Oh yes, but not out loud. I don't know the rules.
It only takes a few seconds to read it when I see it on a thread.
I immediately reject the repetitious (up to 400 times?) speaking of that little prayer to the Catholic Mary as it is forbidden by the Word of God
Matthew 6:7 King James Version (KJV)So doing it 400 times or more is playing it forward?
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking
It covers you for future sins as you have done your penance?
What makes your interpretation better or more right than anyone else's?Well not anybody else's but if it is expressed with the help of the Holy Spirit it valid from God.Absolutely nothing, which is exactly what makes anyone else's better than mine
Note: I left out the rest of the quote "so these arguments are fruitless since nobody ever seems to start from that basic fact" because it does not have justification nor is an actual valid qualification because you will note that Christians back up whatever they post with scriptures from the Word of God, which is the Sword of the Spirit.
That's facts 02.
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