Mary, Mother of God

The Sacred Page ^ | December 29, 2015

[HossB86]

And I'm STILL waiting for someone to answer whether the Church gives Scripture it's authority or whether Scripture gives the Church its authority and which one is authoritative over the other.

And that's all you'll do, sadly, Met, is wait. I'm still waiting on answers to my questions too. Just know it'll never happen. We know the truth regardless.

:D

Hoss

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

The episcopal college and its head, the Pope

880 When Christ instituted the Twelve, "he constituted [them] in the form of a college or permanent assembly, at the head of which he placed Peter, chosen from among them."398 Just as "by the Lord's institution, St. Peter and the rest of the apostles constitute a single apostolic college, so in like fashion the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, and the bishops, the successors of the apostles, are related with and united to one another."399

881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.400 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head."401 This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church's very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.

882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."403

883 "The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, as its head." As such, this college has "supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff.'404

884 "The college of bishops exercises power over the universal Church in a solemn manner in an ecumenical council."405 But "there never is an ecumenical council which is not confirmed or at least recognized as such by Peter's successor."406

885 "This college, in so far as it is composed of many members, is the expression of the variety and universality of the People of God; and of the unity of the flock of Christ, in so far as it is assembled under one head."407

886 "The individual bishops are the visible source and foundation of unity in their own particular Churches."408 As such, they "exercise their pastoral office over the portion of the People of God assigned to them,"409 assisted by priests and deacons. But, as a member of the episcopal college, each bishop shares in the concern for all the Churches.410 The bishops exercise this care first "by ruling well their own Churches as portions of the universal Church," and so contributing "to the welfare of the whole Mystical Body, which, from another point of view, is a corporate body of Churches."411 They extend it especially to the poor,412 to those persecuted for the faith, as well as to missionaries who are working throughout the world.

887 Neighboring particular Churches who share the same culture form ecclesiastical provinces or larger groupings called patriarchates or regions.413 The bishops of these groupings can meet in synods or provincial councils. "In a like fashion, the episcopal conferences at the present time are in a position to contribute in many and fruitful ways to the concrete realization of the collegiate spirit."414

The teaching office

888 Bishops, with priests as co-workers, have as their first task "to preach the Gospel of God to all men," in keeping with the Lord's command.415 They are "heralds of faith, who draw new disciples to Christ; they are authentic teachers" of the apostolic faith "endowed with the authority of Christ."416

889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium, "unfailingly adheres to this faith."417

890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium's task to preserve God's people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms:

891 "The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council.418 When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed,"419 and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith."420 This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.421

892 Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a "definitive manner," they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful "are to adhere to it with religious assent"422 which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it.

The sanctifying office

893 The bishop is "the steward of the grace of the supreme priesthood,"423 especially in the Eucharist which he offers personally or whose offering he assures through the priests, his co-workers. The Eucharist is the center of the life of the particular Church. The bishop and priests sanctify the Church by their prayer and work, by their ministry of the word and of the sacraments. They sanctify her by their example, "not as domineering over those in your charge but being examples to the flock."424 Thus, "together with the flock entrusted to them, they may attain to eternal life."425

The governing office

894 "The bishops, as vicars and legates of Christ, govern the particular Churches assigned to them by their counsels, exhortations, and example, but over and above that also by the authority and sacred power" which indeed they ought to exercise so as to edify, in the spirit of service which is that of their Master.426

895 "The power which they exercise personally in the name of Christ, is proper, ordinary, and immediate, although its exercise is ultimately controlled by the supreme authority of the Church."427 But the bishops should not be thought of as vicars of the Pope. His ordinary and immediate authority over the whole Church does not annul, but on the contrary confirms and defends that of the bishops. Their authority must be exercised in communion with the whole Church under the guidance of the Pope.

896 The Good Shepherd ought to be the model and "form" of the bishop's pastoral office. Conscious of his own weaknesses, "the bishop . . . can have compassion for those who are ignorant and erring. He should not refuse to listen to his subjects whose welfare he promotes as of his very own children. . . . The faithful . . . should be closely attached to the bishop as the Church is to Jesus Christ, and as Jesus Christ is to the Father":428

[ealgeone]

As Ratzinger states,

Before Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven was defined, all theological faculties in the world were consulted for their opinion. Our teachers' answer was emphatically negative . What here became evident was the one-sidedness, not only of the historical, but of the historicist method in theology. “Tradition” was identified with what could be proved on the basis of texts. Altaner , the patrologist from Wurzburg…had proven in a scientifically persuasive manner that the doctrine of Mary’s bodily Assumption into heaven was unknown before the 5C ; this doctrine, therefore, he argued, could not belong to the “apostolic tradition. And this was his conclusion, which my teachers at Munich shared . This argument is compelling if you understand “tradition” strictly as the handing down of fixed formulas and texts [meaning having actual substance in history]…But if you conceive of “tradition” as the living process whereby the Holy Spirit introduces us to the fullness of truth and teaches us how to understand what previously we could still not grasp (cf. Jn 16:12-13), then subsequent “remembering” (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) can come to recognize what it has not caught sight of [even bcz there was nothing to see] previously and was already handed down [invisibly, without evidence] in the original Word,” J. Ratzinger, Milestones (Ignatius, n.d.), 58-59. Therefore Rome can claim to "remember" a fable that only is evidenced as being a later development and make what at best warranted only speculation into a binding doctrine approx. 1800 years after the event allegedly occurred.

>>The Church teaches that Divine Revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle.<<

With this being the case shouldn't there be some evidence of this prior to the 5th Century?

I also appreciate your response.

[MHGinTN]

Was the Inquisition carried out on divine revelation or papal infallibility?

[Rashputin]

Where in the Old Testament is there Protestantism?

Numbers 16, where God opens the earth and swallows alive into Hell Core and his followers who insisted that priesthood of all believers is sufficient because they're all Holy.

That's as close as you get to Protestantism anywhere in Scripture and Jude explicitly warns against falling into the contradiction of Core.

But, no big deal, Moses and God the Father didn't understand how things were supposed to work until Luther came along to straighten them out.

[The Cuban]

Right because the jews that had a priesthood and rituals predicted the rise of the one-pastor congregation and sola scriptura 1500 years after the messiah. Yokay.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Was the Inquisition carried out on divine revelation or papal infallibility?

The pope teaches infallibly when he invokes his charism of infallibility.

Papal infallibility has only been invoked a handful of times in the past 150 years.

There are other levels of Church Teaching of various degrees of certainty and authority. There also exists a hierarchical Church structure, including Church courts.

Church courts are like military tribunals or our judicial system. Their findings are not infallible, but they must be followed.

"If he will not listen to the Church, treat him as a pagan." --Jesus

It sounds as though you have bought into the Black Legend of the Inquisition created by Protestant revolutionaries.

BBC Video: The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition

National Review: The Real Inquisition: Investigating the Popular Myth

Historians are ahead of the public. The Black Legend was discredited about 20 years ago with the publishing of trial documents from the Tribunals.

Conventional wisdom is still catching up.

[Syncro]

Very true about the EO sect.

My post left out their negatives for a better contrast with traditional Catholicism.

Thanks for the information in text and chart.

[The Cuban]

He’s not a medium.

[The Cuban]

He’s not a medium.

[The Cuban]

He’s not a medium. But according to everyone on this thread they are all their own individual.mediums when the HS tells each of them privately how t ok interpret scripture which.makes no sense because there whould.only be one interpretation. So why do you even need interpretive assistance from the HS if the text of the Bible is sufficient? And if that’s sufficient what the point of.Bibpe study or.listening to preachers because the Bible alone is enough??

[Elsie]

And Mary is STILL the mother of Jesus.

But SINLESS?

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Romans 7 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

 

1 Know you not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) that the law hath dominion over a man, as long as it liveth?
2 For the woman that hath an husband, whilst her husband liveth is bound to the law. But if her husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 Therefore, whilst her husband liveth, she shall be called an adulteress, if she be with another man: but if her husband be dead, she is delivered from the law of her husband; so that she is not an adulteress, if she be with another man.
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law, by the body of Christ; that you may belong to another, who is risen again from the dead, that we may bring forth fruit to God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members, to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are loosed from the law of death, wherein we were detained; so that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? God forbid. But I do not know sin, but by the law; for I had not known concupiscence, if the law did not say: Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 And I lived some time without the law. But when the commandment came, sin revived,
10 And I died. And the commandment that was ordained to life, the same was found to be unto death to me.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, seduced me, and by it killed me.
12 Wherefore the law indeed is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was that then which is good, made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it may appear sin, by that which is good, wrought death in me; that sin, by the commandment, might become sinful above measure.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I work, I understand not. For I do not that good which I will; but the evil which I hate, that I do.
16 If then I do that which I will not, I consent to the law, that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that there dwelleth not in me, that is to say, in my flesh, that which is good. For to will, is present with me; but to accomplish that which is good, I find not.
19 For the good which I will, I do not; but the evil which I will not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that which I will not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that when I have a will to do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I am delighted with the law of God, according to the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, fighting against the law of my mind, and captivating me in the law of sin, that is in my members.

24 Unhappy man that I am, who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 The grace of God, by Jesus Christ our Lord. Therefore, I myself, with the mind serve the law of God; but with the flesh, the law of sin.

 

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WHEN did Paul write the above?   Before or after he was saved?

 

 

He mentions being killed and dying.   Hence; a need for a SECOND birth.

 

 

To WHOM did he confess his SIN?

 

 

[Elsie]

Thanks for your incorrect analysis.

I await your correct analysis.

[Elsie]

Where in the Old Testament is there Protestantism?

Matthew's genealogy contains many Gentiles.

Think that made the JEWS happy?

[Elsie]

Here, how do we know here that the sin of Onan was quite evident to be selfish disobedience to God?

I was trying to seque into Mary's doing the reverse; if you will.

By her NOT allowing Joseph to...

[metmom]

IOW, anything goes.

They just have to want to believe something, no matter how far fetched and lacking in or even outright contradicting Scriptural support, and voila`, suddenly it’s *remembered*.

How convenient.

And then we’re condemned for wanting to believe only things that can be shown from Scripture to be taught in the early church, and *WE* are the *heretics*???????

[Syncro]

Taking the leap huh?

Purposeful ignorance of and ignoring God's Word will not go well for you.

God has spoken.

Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?--Mark 8:18

That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.--Mark 4:12

[Elsie]

Pesky indeed!

John 17:21

I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one — as you are in me, Father, and I am in you.

[Syncro]

No he is a XX lg

[metmom]

They also have SSPV which broke away from the traditional sect the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) over liturgical issues, and also hold that many in the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church no longer adhere to the Catholic faith but instead profess a new, modernist, Conciliar religion. But SSPV priests regard the questions of the legitimacy of the present hierarchy and the possibility that the Holy See is unoccupied (sedevacantism) to be unresolved.

So they broke away from their church over worship style differences.

And I've seen THAT condemned when Prots do it.

the double standard applied to everything that Catholics do and non-Catholic do is staggering.