Metmom queries:
“So priests don’t get a call from God to go into the priesthood?â€
Response
Yes, priests do. But the call is to preach ONE truth since God established ONE Church that existed for over 300 years even before the Church fathers assembled the written word of God we call the Bible.
This explains why pre-eminent Lutheran and Episcopalian theologians who were also leading pastors, upon realizing the error of what they were preaching converted to Catholicism.
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Boatbums inquires:
Was there “no heresy prior to the Reformation?
Response
Yes, and the Catholic Church refuted those heresies, in the same way as it does the cluster of heresies spawned by the curse of the Reformation that has allowed each Tome, Dick, and Harry and semi-literate neighborhood First Baptist; First Emmanuel; First Christ: First XYZ pastor to stand behind a podium and display “his†or “her†own view of scripture not unlike Jeremiah Wright and David Koresh.
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KinsmanRedeemer writes:
“Explain the worldwide, regional, and even local contradictions in Holy Roman Catholic “churches”â€
You are mistaking local customs of worship with Catholic doctrine.
Response:
We have ONE Catholic Faith. It’s called the Credo and it is recited in every Mass in every city, village, and town, and every corner of the world.
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HossB86 writes:
CCC 841 ….teaches Roman Catholics and Muslims worship the “same, merciful God....”?
Response
This is precisely the kind of shallow nonsense that is the staple stuff of Bible Christians. When you take stuff like this just as you throw out Biblical quotes- out of context, it reduced serious learning to sham.
Do you have a CCC on hand?
PART ONE, Page One of the CCC “THE PROFESSION OF FAITH”
Article 9....”I Believe in the Holy Catholic Church” pg 197 You would have to start here then proceed to the following page’s................
Paragraph III “The Church is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic!”:
Title of sub section I
“THE CHURCH IS ONE” pg-214
Title of sub-section II
“THE CHURCH IS HOLY” pg-218
Title of this sub section III, is..............
“THE CHURCH IS CATHOLIC” 830-838 pg 220-222
This proceeds to............
“The Church and Non-Christians” ...........and its starts............
839 “Those who have NOT yet received the Gospel are related to the people of God in “various ways.” page 222
Then of course this elaborates from 839-845 and ends there pages 222-224.
Then this is picked up immediately with.............
“Outside the Church there in No Salvation”
Then of course this elaborates from 846-848.pages 224-225...........then to..
“Mission- a Requirement of the Church’s Catholicity” 849-856 pages 225-226..............then to..
Sub Section IV
“THE CHURCH IS APOSTOLIC” 857-862 pages 227-229
The CCC is a book of 800 pages including the index, and just like the Bible it cannot be read Sola Scriptura. It must be understood in context/content. Otherwise it becomes ones own pretext.
So then the section in question here is “The Church and Non-Christians” and to clearly understand this you much clearly understand the pre AND post sections in context with the entire CCC.
“The Church and Non-Christians”
839 “Those who have NOT yet received the Gospel are related to the people of God in “various ways.” page 222
Please explain why the NT apostles did not teach “without Mary’s intercession there is no salvation.”
Should not have Paul at least addressed such at least once in the multitudes of epistles recorded in the New Testament?
That leads me to believe you view the Holy Scriptures as incomplete, yet the NT in several locations tells us what is presented is sufficient to know God’s Gospel and message of salvation.
For a reminder...There is also a post from Daniel1212 unanswered.
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.”
(John 5:22-23)
Islam rejects Jesus, denies Him the honor He is due.
Therefore, in Jesus’ own words, they do not honor the Father. They are actively denying the Father the adoration and worship He is due.
Therefore, based on the law of non-contradiction, it is impossible for both Jesus and CCC 841 to be correct. The statement about Muslims, that “together with us, they adore the one, merciful God,” cannot be true (even after fully considering context), because they have rejected the Son. Else, one would have to assign error to Jesus, and that can never be.
Peace,
SR
LOL - it has been changed, too. Maybe you forgot.
Even your answer to (only one) of my questions is contradictory.
But you did TRY at least.
Rules for thee but not for me.
The one Truth that called into the ministry born again beleivers preach is found in the unchanging Word of God, the Gospel.
Unlike the CCC which changes more often than Carter has pills.
Yes, we repeat the creed in the LCMS as well. Funny how the One Catholic Faith only says that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, but nothing else about Mary. Hmmm. I wonder why? Jesus was not born of Mary because Mary was some supernatural perfect being, but because she was of the right blood-line, because she was a virgin at the time of Jesus' birth, and because she said yes to God.
Even the exhaustive Creed of Pope Pius IV doesn't add much about Mary, other than we can honor and venerate her image.
Well there is one grain of truth here, although not as a Roman Catholic would see it: when the Roman Catholic Church throws out the Bible and its truth, this IS what you end up with: CCC 841.
No matter how you slice it, it still comes up the same. Springfield Reformer's demonstration of logic proves it -- 841 DOES teach exactly what it says it teaches, that being that Roman Catholics and Muslims worship the "same, merciful God."
This is the heresy that results from removing the true authority of God-breathed scripture and replacing it with sinful, fallen man.
Hoss