I’m going to take my own advice I gave to Salvation and Biggirl earlier and just stop right now. I see no profit in continuing the same round about that’s been going on here (FR) for literally years. I find it amazing though that you, Mr Rogers actually believe that the “day” in verse 13 is indeed the Jugement of Christ yet STILL insist that when the works that are burned away, this isn’t a trial of the individual himself just his works. What else happens on Jugement Day other than a judgment OF the INDIVIDUAL. Sheesh.
I mean really think about it for a second: if someone goes through a trial in life that causes them to change something about their faith that’s going to be a “painful” experience some might even call it, colloquially “trial by fire”! Forget it.
Catholics don’t say Purgatory is a “firely place” filled with literal “fire” by the way. We fully acknowledge that that’s imagery a metaphor of the kind of purification that occurs at that time. There’s nothing in any dogmatic teaching that says it’s definitely fire or that it’s even for a long time it could indeed be instantaneous. The dogma itself only says that the purgation is a purgation of the individual, cleansing him of any venial sin and any attachment to sin. In fact the most likely source of any pain there is continued separation from God not any literal fire. But speaking of literal fire continue to construct strawmen and burn them in effegy, because that’s all the claim “Purgatory claims to use literal fire to burn away sin” is, a strawman.
It’s immaterial the apologetic texts don’t exactly describe Purgatory. They were never claimed to do so (by the Church) but the concept is there, especially if one concedes the point that the word “day” in verse 13 is one’s day of Judgement before the Lord!
“yet STILL insist that when the works that are burned away, this isn’t a trial of the individual himself just his works.”
Ummm...because that is what the text says?
“And the quality of each person’s work will be seen when the Day of Christ exposes it”.
You write: “What else happens on Jugement Day other than a judgment OF the INDIVIDUAL. Sheesh.”
What Jesus said: “Those who believe in the Son are not judged; but those who do not believe have already been judged, because they have not believed in God’s only Son.”
What Paul said: “There is no condemnation now for those who live in union with Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit, which brings us life in union with Christ Jesus, has set me free from the law of sin and death...Who will accuse God’s chosen people? God himself declares them not guilty! Who, then, will condemn them? Not Christ Jesus, who died, or rather, who was raised to life and is at the right side of God, pleading with him for us!”
The writer of Hebrews said, “With one sacrifice, then, he has made perfect forever those who are purified from sin...And then he says, ‘I will not remember their sins and evil deeds any longer.’ So when these have been forgiven, an offering to take away sins is no longer needed.
The believer has ALREADY been judged, past tense.
The record of his sin debt has been canceled and he is declared righteous, hence saved.
You're speaking from man's wisdom, not God's...Those scriptures referred to speak nothing of a trial of a person...The scripture clearly speaks of a trial of a person's works...
It is not a trial of sins...There is no condemnation...It is a trial of rewards...
Kinda like a typical workplace award ceremony...You may be called to go up and receive a promotion, a bonus or honorable mention due to your performance, your attitude or something similar...Others who were not as exemplary as you will perhaps not get a reward...
During the course of your employment you may have designed and built projects that failed...Or unintentionally crashed a machine...
When the recommendation is submitted to the higher ups for review, the crashed machine and failed projects are expunged from the report...They are looking for the positives...Had those less than positives been on the report, you may not have gotten the award(s)...
You were saved as yet by the paper shredder...
And yes, things do happen that way...And that is what this judgment is all about...