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To: af_vet_1981; Mr Rogers; daniel1212; Springfield Reformer
The Catholic Church was not founded on, nor does not teach, the Protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura. Some (most ?) Protestants have abandoned the Greek manuscript chain and the translations of them upon which Sola Scriptura was based. Why does it matter ? The KJV contradicts MrRogers's assertion that there is no condemnation of a Christian while a Christian is committing mortal sins (walking after the flesh), and not walking after the Spirit. I think the Evangelical term for this is backslidden Christians and they consider them to be OSAS no matter what sins the commit.

I don't see a contradiction of the Byzantine vs. Alexandrian primary texts. The verse that follows makes it clear. We can discuss that if you want. Mr Rogers NEVER made a claim reference Christians committing mortal sins getting a free ride on such sins. He pointed out in one post the entirety of Romans 8 where Paul tells the Roman church "whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." Sounds like a promise.

What happened when David committed murder and adultery? What did God do to reach David? He convicted David through Nathan the prophet. Who do we as Christians have to convict us of sin? Who do we have as Christians to give us the strength to resist temptations? Who do we have as Christians to indwell us and conform us to the Image of the Son?

If we lack faith for our Almighty God to preserve us and sanctify us, are we not denying His Power and Promise? Is that not sinning against the Holy Spirit Who testifies of Christ's Finished Work?

I have to ask again. Is not the NABRE the official and approved English language version Bible for the Catholic church? If yes then you should not be pointing fingers at Mr Rogers. The NABRE has the same wording of Romans 8 as the NASB.

245 posted on 11/05/2015 5:56:49 PM PST by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: redleghunter

“What happened when David committed murder and adultery? What did God do to reach David? He convicted David through Nathan the prophet. Who do we as Christians have to convict us of sin? Who do we have as Christians to give us the strength to resist temptations? Who do we have as Christians to indwell us and conform us to the Image of the Son? “

Worth repeating, praise God!


246 posted on 11/05/2015 5:58:53 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: redleghunter; Mr Rogers
I don't see a contradiction of the Byzantine vs. Alexandrian primary texts.
    This is an (incomplete) list of major textual variants in the New Testament, with a focus on differences between categories of New Testament manuscript.
  1. The Textus Receptus (Latin: "received text") is the name subsequently given to the succession of printed Greek texts of the New Testament which was first collated by Desiderius Erasmus in the 16th century. It constituted the translation base for the translation of the New Testament into English by William Tyndale, the King James Version, and most other Reformation-era New Testament translations throughout Western and Central Europe.
  2. The Majority Text represents the Byzantine text-type, which was used in Eastern Greek speaking churches and was dominant from the late middle ages onwards. It is similar to the Textus Receptus.
  3. The modern critical text (e.g. Novum Testamentum Graece) is close to the Alexandrian text-type, which accounts for some of the earliest New Testament manuscripts; it stands behind most modern English translations of the New Testament including the American Standard Version, New International Version, Revised Standard Version, New Revised Standard Version, New American Standard Bible and English Standard Version.



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Rom 8:1

MT: There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
CT: There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

Mr Rogers NEVER made a claim reference Christians committing mortal sins getting a free ride on such sins. He pointed out in one post the entirety of Romans 8 where Paul tells the Roman church "whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." Sounds like a promise.

I thought it was clear that he claimed once justified a person could not be condemned no matter what that person did afterward. Do you hold differntly, like the Catholics/Orthodox ?

262 posted on 11/05/2015 8:31:14 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: redleghunter; Mr Rogers
What happened when David committed murder and adultery? What did God do to reach David? He convicted David through Nathan the prophet.

And David confessed his sin to Nathan the prophet ... and Nathan the prophet told David his sin was forgiven ... sounds quite Catholic ...

I have to ask again. Is not the NABRE the official and approved English language version Bible for the Catholic church? If yes then you should not be pointing fingers at Mr Rogers. The NABRE has the same wording of Romans 8 as the NASB.

Already answered; I have no problem with you adopting the same Bible as the Catholic Church; I would you would adopt all the same faith, liturgy and customs as Catholics.

My point is that the Protestant Reformation started out with a different set of scriptures and posited a new doctrine of Sola Scriptura based on them. Your testimony demostrates to me that the so-called Reformation did not have the same scriptures that the Protestants and their devolved communities use today (sans some of the Independent Fundamental Baptists and perhaps a few others). Since they rebelled and divorced themselves from Holy Tradition, which does not rely and any particular set of Greek manuscripts or translations for truth, and asserted they only relied on the Word of God, their claim to legitimacy is invalid.

267 posted on 11/05/2015 9:06:16 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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