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To: af_vet_1981

No AF, the context supports the simple reading of Luke saying the assemblies (plural) in all of Judea (and yes the other regions) were at peace, and growing. The genitive points to what was happening in the region. The “all” is geographic. Luke was locating the assemblies, not labeling them.

But whatever. The remainder of your quote is an absolute thrashing of the text. Unrecognizable. I don’t know where you got it from, but whoever produced it has either no knowledge of or no respect for basic principles of Greek translation or the ordinary rules of context.

For one thing, one would hope even a first semester Greek newbe would know that kata becomes kath when placed in front of a vowel. It’s the same word. I don’t know why I let it shock me, but it does. Over and over I see these same errors made again and a gain. In Greek, a primitive can be modified in form by all sorts of rules, and still be the same basic word, where by convention it has some family of meanings derived by context.

And virtually every property of the assemblies mentioned in this passage or any other New Testament passage can be applied to any Baptist church. Not to leave out the other denominations, but I could claim on the same premise you are using that the first use of Baptist is John the Baptist, thereby proving Baptists to be the authentic, true original church.

Of course, such an argument would be poppycock. Just like yours is. For the same reason. These words and word combinations have easily discerned semantic and contextual meanings. John was not called a Baptist in honor of a denomination, and Luke was talking about peace and growth for the assemblies in the whole of particular regions. That’s it. There’s no more gas in that tank. The rest, that garbled, unbiblical mess you quoted me, is pure magical thinking. It’s what some perhaps would like it to mean. Nobody with an ounce of sense is going to buy it.

Peace,

SR


53 posted on 10/27/2015 10:04:20 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
For one thing, one would hope even a first semester Greek newbe would know that kata becomes kath when placed in front of a vowel. It’s the same word. I don’t know why I let it shock me, but it does. Over and over I see these same errors made again and a gain. In Greek, a primitive can be modified in form by all sorts of rules, and still be the same basic word, where by convention it has some family of meanings derived by context.

And virtually every property of the assemblies mentioned in this passage or any other New Testament passage can be applied to any Baptist church. Not to leave out the other denominations, but I could claim on the same premise you are using that the first use of Baptist is John the Baptist, thereby proving Baptists to be the authentic, true original church.

Did you forget how the Pharisees mocked the disciples from Galilee for their language, or lack thereof ? How exactly did that profit them ? Since you pride yourself in Greek, can you carry on a conversation in Greek today or would the Athenians also mock (well, they might mock any American) ?

I concede Kath is derived from Kata, yet you deviated from the scriptures to cloud the grammatical point, while I clearly showed the Textus Receptus with the theta.

The Kath'Holes construct from two words is the first mention of the origin of the word catholic in the scriptures. That is what the word catholic means. The shock of seeing it in the scriptures must be less than that of the Pharisees having their superior knowledge of Hebrew and the Tenach challenged by the grammatically incorrect.

I see you now admitted church(es) in the text, which you disparaged. The churches throughout all Judea and the Galil and Shomron were one, were holy, were catholic, and were apostolic.

I note you concede Independent Fundamental Baptists are in error about their pedigree. This would be a reason to depart from their assemblies and join the reformation.

56 posted on 10/28/2015 6:07:03 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
The remainder of your quote is an absolute thrashing of the text. Unrecognizable. I don’t know where you got it from, but whoever produced it has either no knowledge of or no respect for basic principles of Greek translation or the ordinary rules of context.

"Or would it be ignoring the context, because it is catholic, that the churches throughout all Judea, and the Galil, and Shomron, were multiplied, being edified, walking in the fear of the LORD and the comfort of the Holy Ghost; one holy catholic apostolic church about to burst out into the whole known world ? "

Yes,the churches throughout all the lands mentioned where churches existed at that time were one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. The "re-formers" had not yet rebelled.

Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Acts, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verse thirty one,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
bold emphasis mine

57 posted on 10/28/2015 6:24:35 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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