Also, as catholics are not assured of Heaven (from what I've been told on these boards), if I were catholic, based on the promise made by the apparition that, "Those who die wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire." (btw...this is the lie for if it were true then you and every catholic should be wearing it!) ,then betcha I'd have that thing on every minute of the day.
Now for Christians, we rely upon the one time and final sacrifice of Christ who died on the cross for us and makes this promise to us:
24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life (John 5:24 NASB).
“Nope....I was just curious as catholicism places so much emphasis on these marian apparitions,”
It really doesn’t. Fatima, for instance, is not mention in the CCC even once. The Marian apparitions are very popular among Catholics of manifestations of God’s will through Mary to human beings, but no Catholic doctrine is based on them.
“I was curious if you followed what she said to do.”
As a Catholic I am not required to do anything that anyone says in a private revelation unless that private revelation was to me or meant specifically for me.
“Also, as catholics are not assured of Heaven (from what I’ve been told on these boards), if I were catholic, based on the promise made by the apparition that, “Those who die wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.” (btw...this is the lie for if it were true then you and every catholic should be wearing it!) ,then betcha I’d have that thing on every minute of the day.”
You’re wrong on both counts. 1) Even if Mary meant it as you apparently think, that doesn’t mean every Catholic would wear it. 2) The Church has always taught that no one should assume wearing a scapular IN ITSELF means someone is going to Heaven. As Michelle Arnold of Catholic Answers has noted:
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First of all, the original promise of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel to St. Simon Stock regarding the brown scapular had nothing to do with the small scapular many Catholics commonly wear today. At the time, the Carmelite order was trying to establish itself in Europe and was facing opposition. Many in the Church thought the Carmelite hermits who had moved into Europe from the Holy Land should join the current religious orders in Europe rather than maintain their own order. There was also a lot of contention over the Carmelites’ habits, which were remarkably different from the habits of the European orders of the time.
St. Simon Stock, an early superior general of the Carmelites, sought to adapt the Carmelites’ hermitic life to one similar to the mendicant friars such as the Franciscans and Dominicans, but while retaining the Carmelite identity. According to tradition, the Blessed Virgin appeared to St. Simon holding a large, full-body brown scapular similar to the one Carmelites wear today and gave it to St. Simon as the habit of the Carmelite order. It was to this brown scapular that the promise was attached. Later, smaller scapulars suitable for wearing by laypeople were approved by the Church as a sacramental.
If we are to take Our Lady of Mt. Carmel’s promise in a strictly literal fashion, we’d have to say that the wearer of the scapular must wear the Carmelite habit. But this obviously isn’t the case. And, in truth, the promise shouldn’t be taken strictly literally. The promise is dependent upon the wearer’s desire to meet his Catholic obligations, to do his best to lead a virtuous life, and to work with the graces made available to him through the sacraments of the Church and through the brown scapular. If he refuses to do that, his wearing of a brown scapular is little more than pious superstition. Certainly it is not in any way a guarantee of heaven.
These days, many in the Carmelite order continue to promote wearing the brown scapular but downplay the promise that “Whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fires” precisely because of the superstitious means by which too many promote it. The scapular I currently wear, which was made by local Carmelite nuns, does not use that particular phrase but instead says: Behold the sign of salvation; put on the Lord Jesus Christ. http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=505051
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“Now for Christians, we rely upon the one time and final sacrifice of Christ who died on the cross for us and makes this promise to us:”
As a Christian I too rely on Christ’s grace and Christ’s grace alone - whether I wear a scapular or not. And I have nothing against people wearing scapulars. It’s not required. And in itself it won’t get a single person into heaven if they are relying on it rather than Christ. And that’s exactly what the Church has always taught.
So, we see that you were wrong again. You were wrong about the following:
1) “catholicism places so much emphasis on these marian apparitions”
2) Apparently assuming that a Marian apparition was everyone rather than a private revelation (”I was curious if you followed what she said to do.”
3) “Also, as catholics are not assured of Heaven”. That’s a partial truth: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation . Protestants are not absolutely assured of Heaven either. Their heretical teachings, however, teach that they are. Not all Protestants believe this, however: http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternal-security.htm
4) “(btw...this is the lie for if it were true then you and every catholic should be wearing it!)”
That’s a logical error on your part. You cannot assume something is not true just because human beings are not following through on it. Jesus is the Savior. How many reject Him? MILLIONS. Is Jesus then the “lie”? No, He is THE TRUTH.
5) “Now for Christians, we...”
If you’re assuming only people who agree with your latter-day invented by man doctrines are Christians, then you’re terribly mistaken. Christians were here long before you, long before Protestantism, and will be here long after your dead and forgotten.
Five errors in one post. Par for the course, right?
I LOVE IT, make up your own rules as you go along...Christ died for every sin that I committed, so therefore I can pretty much do as I please...WHOO-HOO...lookmout world, here I come......protestantism is great....