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Power in the (Catholic) Church? Women Have Always Had It
Aletelia ^ | October 10, 2015 | ELIZABETH SCALIA

Posted on 10/11/2015 12:00:18 PM PDT by NYer

New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd took the occasion of his triumphant visits to Cuba and the United States to refer to His Holiness as “the perfect 19th-century pope”, largely because he seems disinterested in creating female priests.

In her piece, Dowd’s assertions often lack context and the column itself is not particularly interesting, but it was a welcome one, nevertheless, because it allows us to consider how the Catholic Church, more than any other institutional body in history, has uplifted women and encouraged them to live to their highest potential.

Yes, a very sound argument can be made that the Catholic Church has been the means of freeing women, and not – as many unthinkingly charge – the means of their oppression. Prior to perhaps the last 150 years, the great majority of educated and accomplished women were Catholic female religious, who conceived completely original ideas and ran with them.

Think of Elizabeth Bailey Seton, a widow with 5 children, cut off from her own family’s fortune due to her conversion, conceiving of what we have come to think of as Catholic elementary education, and essentially inventing a means for the children of the poor and the marginalized to become educated and competitive in the “new world.”

Think of Teresa of Avila, who not only reformed a corrupted religious order, but then went on to build 16 monasteries, both for men and women, while often in paralyzing pain. Oh, and she wrote a few books that are considered classics of theology, and is now a Doctor of the Church. Not bad for a woman who had spent her youth reading romance novels.

Think of Henriette DeLille, the daughter of freed slaves, and Katharine Drexel, the daughter of a wealthy industrialist, both founding individual orders of women who spent their time and energy building schools and hospitals for Native Americans and African Americans in the deep south.

Think of Catherine of Siena, counselor to both popes and royalty, dictating her letters to two scribes at a time. Another Doctor of the Church. Interestingly Catherine was almost entirely uneducated and “unaccomplished” by worldly standards, but the church – hardly an elitist institution – calls her “Doctor” just as it does Saint Hildegard of Bingen, an intellectual giant of music, science, medicine, letters and theology. Just as it does Saint Therese of Lisieux, who entered a Carmel at age 15 and never left it, but whose influence has traveled far.

Oh, and let’s not forget Joan of Arc, a female warrior who led men into battle. Self-actualization, anyone? Sure, the men in the church let her down. But we don’t remember them, or call them “saints”, do we?

The fact is, for all of the talk about how oppressive the church has been for women, there has been no other institution in history which has given women such free reign to create, explore, discover, serve, manage, build, expand, usually with very little help from the coffers of the diocese in which they worked, and largely without intrusion on the part of the male hierarchy.

Rose Hawthorne, daughter of Nathaniel Hawthorne, founded the Hawthorne Dominicans, an order of nuns who take care of cancer patients – free of charge – and who subsist entirely on donations. An American woman named Vera Duss received her medical degree from the Sorbonne and, less than a week later entered a Benedictine abbey in Paris, where she hid and treated Jews who were being hunted by Nazis. After Patton liberated Paris, Mother Benedicta Duss felt called to return to America, and establish a Benedictine abbey in Connecticut where, ironically, Patton’s granddaughter is a member of the community.

Almost from its inception, the church has been a force and fomenter of feminine self-actualization. One is hard-pressed to name a single institution on the planet, other than the Catholic Church, which would have allowed women to simply run with their heads, be who they were born to be, and accomplish great things.

The church has fostered literally thousands of great, great women, whose accomplishments are unjustly overlooked because they were done in a habit and a wimple. Compare them with the “empowered” women of today – women often trapped in their own bitter vortex of unmet expectations, or trained to find “microaggressions” all around them – and the contrast could not be more stark.

Have modern women truly been more inventive, more socially conscious than the Catholic women who essentially invented social service programs through the church, long before governments knew what to do with the orphans and illiterate children of the poor, or how to treat and nurture the sick? It’s doubtful. Are modern women any more free than the religious women who have built and served the churches? Sadly, no, because in our secularist society, women’s creativity follows not the course of God, but whatever has already succeeded for men. Their sense of success is measured not by their service to others, and to heaven, but by the false – and masculine – worldly measures.

Whatever Dowd thinks of Pope Francis, it is worth remembering that it was the Catholic church, before anything else, which looked at the women who surrounded the most Important Being delivered upon the earth and saw them as women-in-full, worthy of honor and exclamation and respect. While Sarah and Rebecca and Esther and Ruth had their roles, and were honored, that respect – that willingness to look at women as more than footnotes but as persons essential to the whole great pageant of salvation – that began with Mary; the woman called by the Catholic Church the greatest of all saints, and the greatest of God’s creation.


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1 posted on 10/11/2015 12:00:18 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 10/11/2015 12:00:41 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

There is a website named, “Women of the Bible”. It is very interesting reading,


3 posted on 10/11/2015 12:19:06 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: NYer

As humankind’s pacifying, nuturing, and anchoring force, women always have wielded incredible power. The forces of evil are doing their worst to deny and destroy that fact.


4 posted on 10/11/2015 12:22:28 PM PDT by twister881
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They helped start the Mayo Clinic. From Wikipedia:

On August 21, 1883, a tornado struck Rochester, causing at least 37 deaths in the area and over 200 injuries. One-third of the town was destroyed, but the Mayo family escaped serious harm. The relief efforts began immediately with a temporary hospital being established at the city dance hall, and the doctors Mayo (W.W. and Will) as well as other local doctors, were extensively involved in treating the injured who were brought there for help. Mother Alfred Moes and the Sisters of Saint Francis (a teaching order) were called in to act as nurses despite having been trained as teachers and with little if any medical experience.

After the crisis subsided, Mother Alfred Moes approached W.W. Mayo about establishing a hospital in Rochester, and Dr. Mayo agreed to work in the hospital, and soon other local doctors agreed to work in the hospital as well. On September 30, 1889, Saint Marys Hospital was opened by the Sisters. Dr. W.W. Mayo, 70 years old, was one of the consulting physicians at the hospital. His two sons began seeing patients and performing surgeries at the hospital when they returned from medical school in the 1880s.


5 posted on 10/11/2015 12:27:28 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ. -- Pope St. Pius X /// Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016!)
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To: ealgeone

Ouch, harshing the mellow. I’m not RC and believe Jesus is the only Mediator & Advocate, but don’t take after the Catholics. Aim the vitriol at Mohammedans and other false prophets of evil & violence.


8 posted on 10/11/2015 12:38:53 PM PDT by twister881
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To: twister881
If roman catholicism continues to advance this false doctrine I'll continue to oppose it.

We know the ills of Islam. But they don't advance a false doctrine within the church as we see catholics doing with Mary.

9 posted on 10/11/2015 12:42:53 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: twister881

I’m seeing a lot of women’s service to the church, but none of their power within it. The disparity remains.


10 posted on 10/11/2015 12:43:40 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Eagles fan after loss to Dallas -- This is the first time I ever saw the "prevent offense".)
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To: ealgeone

I’ll just say you’re aiming your gun at the wrong group.


11 posted on 10/11/2015 12:45:17 PM PDT by twister881
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To: sparklite2

I refer to women’s human power, not their relative power within the RC Church. Those who are dissatisfied can go elsewhere, such as to The Episcopal Church, a non-Christian entity I left, but which may appeal to those who wish to be priestesses, even openly lesbian priestesses.


12 posted on 10/11/2015 12:51:11 PM PDT by twister881
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To: twister881

I’m referring to the subject of the thread,
women’s (lack of) power within the church.
And as you say, if one doesn’t like it, one
is free to leave. This is a different
response than outright denial of what is as
plain as the nose on one’s face.


13 posted on 10/11/2015 12:54:29 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Eagles fan after loss to Dallas -- This is the first time I ever saw the "prevent offense".)
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To: sparklite2

What specific powers should women have in the Church?


14 posted on 10/11/2015 1:06:19 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

How about inclusion in the hierarchy all the way up to the Pope? Why keep out of power sisters of the Queen of Heaven?
Unless the church is a patriarchy, of course.


15 posted on 10/11/2015 1:12:51 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Eagles fan after loss to Dallas -- This is the first time I ever saw the "prevent offense".)
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To: goodwithagun

Wel, catholics have given mary a whole bunch of powers not accorded to her in the Word.


16 posted on 10/11/2015 1:13:13 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: NYer

The most powerful person in the Catholic Church, more powerful than any pope, is, and has always been:

Mary, the mother of Jesus. Jesus, being perfect, will always honor his mother and father.


17 posted on 10/11/2015 1:14:55 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: sparklite2

Don’t necessarily accept your premise that women don’t have power in the RC Church. The real power of any church is in its membership, male and female, with clergy being only a small part. Churches can’t exist or function without the time, talent, and yes, treasure of its members. My experience is that volunteerism magnifies a parish’s value 5-10 times its budget. And so much of that volunteering is done by women. The majesty of the Vatican and of a relatively limited number of archdioceses is not the truth or power of the RC Church. They’re in the small & mid-size parishes that are the norm.


18 posted on 10/11/2015 1:15:57 PM PDT by twister881
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To: twister881

Again, service to is being equated to power within.
They are just not the same. Sooner or later, the answer to all will rear its head and end the discussion. So I’ll play that card now and leave the thread.

Tradition!


19 posted on 10/11/2015 1:20:12 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Eagles fan after loss to Dallas -- This is the first time I ever saw the "prevent offense".)
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To: NYer

Oui, Madame, Scalia. A real woman knows how to love Christ, love men and build families while writing books, cleaning monasteries, fighting wars and traveling to the missions.

Today we are surrounded by fake woman who hate religion, hate men, and destroy families while preaching to 12th graders about s-e-x, protesting wars, and skimming funds from the missions.

St. Joan of Arc, ora pro nobis.


20 posted on 10/11/2015 1:20:22 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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