Posted on 10/08/2015 8:02:23 AM PDT by Salvation
Why are you presuming that is threatening to anyone? Seems like a bit of projection going on there.
Maybe we should ask why the thought that Mary had sin is so threatening to Catholics?
We object to the teaching because it is untrue that Mary was without sin. There is not one shred of Scriptural support for the immaculate conception. It's really nothing more than romanticized wishful thinking.
So following Catholic reasoning, if it was not OK for Jesus to be born of a sinful woman, what makes it OK for Mary to be born of a sinful woman? Didn't SHE deserve better? After all, Catholics insist on calling her *queen of heaven* and claim that God is subservient to her in not being able to deny her any request.
I just realized that you had joined the conversation. Generally your comments are more personal attacks than respectful discussions so I decline to engage in any conversations with you.
The Holy Spirit saw fit in Scripture to call Mary *mother of Jesus.*
I have read the arguments and justifications for the Catholic church changing her title and they are wanting.
It takes a lot of nerve to presume that one can do a better job than God Himself in communicating His word to us.
Changing her title doesn’t correct any false teaching about who Jesus is. Proper Scriptural teaching is what’s needed for that. All changing her title does is lead to more confusion and false teaching about Mary and her relation to the Godhead.
Actually, that is correct. If you are saying that Mary is the mother of God, it does not address His humanity at all.
His humanity did enter into time on March 25th when Mary said “yes.”
Aside from the fact that Mary did NOT say *Yes*, she did NOT give her permission to God, who ever said that Mary did it on March 25?
Where do you presume to get a specific date from?
BTW, the angel told her how it was going to be. Nobody ever asked her permission.
He said, "You will....", not *God would like you to if you're so inclined to condescend to His request.*
What personal attacks have I engaged in?
If you’re going to make personal accusations and slander, please back them up.
When catholics continue to rely upon a text that's been shown to be incorrectly translated I know who is in error.
. I could keep going but you get the idea.
Prayers for you continue.
Which ones are not in the Word??
WOW !!!
Where in the WORLD do you get THIS! Did you go back in time and witness this yourself, or do you have some divine connection to verify this to be true?
I guess you don't believe in the Immaculate Conception either. Tell me how did Mary get pregnant with our Lord Jesus Christ (God)
Pssst...Jesus is God, that is the hypostatic union. anyone that truly believes that Jesus is God (the Son) must by logical extension believe that Mary is His mother.
Previously you have resorted to your ridiculous syllogism. To nip that in the bud:
Tell me which of the following syllogism are valid, and which are invalid. If you are capable of doing so, that will demonstrate that you can recognize the fallacy of the undistributed middle. If you can’t, you can’t.
A:
Dorothy is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a fireman.
Dorothy is the mother of a fireman.
B:
Evelyn is the mother of a fireman.
Gordon is a fireman.
Evelyn is the mother of Gordon.
C:
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.
D:
Mary is the Mother of God.
The Trinity is God.
Mary is the Mother of the Trinity.
If you have answered yes to any of the following then using your own logic it is impossible for you to Love God with all your heart/ devotion.
“As a child it had been natural to talk with God. But now He seemed distant,”
If God seems more distant than before, it wasn’t God who moved.
Every cult needs a schtick; a rosary is as good as any other.
Here. In Scripture.
Luke 1:26-37 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”
And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God. And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
No asking permission there. He told. She submitted willingly.
Like many people God used in the past, He TOLD them how it was going to be. Some of them fought it, like Moses and Jonah. Some didn't.
But HE is the Creator. HE is the LORD of all.
HE has the right to do with His creation as He sees fit and needs no human's permission to do so.
“The love of a created, sinful, being (Mary) is better than the Creator’s love??”
You don’t get it. When the Catholics speak of the immaculate conception, we Christians assume it refers to Jesus’ conception. Not true. For them, it means that MARY was immaculately conceived.
Clearly Catholics do not approve of the job the Holy Spirit did in inspiring Scripture and see the need to change it.
Personally, I will not sit in judgment of the work of God through His Holy Spirit and presume to improve on it.
If Catholics want to, nobody can stop them, but it’s their funeral.
What chutzpah.
No, I understand that. I was contrasting the faith Catholics place in Mary v Jesus.
Clearly non-Catholics that claim to be ex-Catholics have no answer and dodge. When you can’t answer attack.
“I was contrasting the faith Catholics place in Mary v Jesus.”
Oh; I see. Yeah. IIRC from Seminary days, RC was based on Rome’s pre-Constantine’s paganism, and in doing so became a cult serving the creature (Mary) more than the creator (Jesus).
Where are Rosaries, or any religious trinkets whatsoever, mentioned in New Testament scriptures?
If not, we can do without them just fine.
It is true that Rosaries and other prayer aids are not mentioned in New Testament scriptures. And if you can do without them, that is fine. But they have been developed through the centuries to help bring Christians closer to Jesus. And that is also fine.
Peace,
Rich
I’m glad we agree. They are not necessary.
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