Posted on 10/03/2015 11:34:10 AM PDT by NYer
On the eve of the Synod, a homosexual priest working for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and teaching at a university in Rome publicly announced himself to be a homosexual and that he has a “companion”. He took advantage of the imminent Synod and recent news stories about the “gay friendly” Pope Francis to come out and also to issue an absurd 10 point “manifesto” demanding that the Church change her teachings about homosexuality.
Keep in mind that even were the Church to do that – in his dreams – it wouldn’t be enough. Nothing is enough for militant “gays”.
The Holy See’s reaction? He’s fired from his positions.
ChurchMilitant has a pretty summary of the train wreck that occurred.
ROME, October 3, 2015 (ChurchMilitant.com) – A Polish priest working at the Congregration for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has admitted his homosexuality [poor man] and issued a manifesto demanding changes to Church teaching. [deluded man]
The priest, Msgr. Krzysztof Charamsa, is a professor at the Pontifical Gregorian University [a Jesuit institution] and has been on the Vatican’s International Theological Commission since 2009. [big deal]
In a video released yesterday by the Polish LGBT activist group Artyku? osiemnasty, Msgr. Charamsa declares his homosexuality [poor man] and admits to having a boyfriend. [deluded man]
Also released along with the video was a 10-point manifesto of demands. [deluded man]
1. Disposal of homophobia and anti-gay discrimination[…]2. Condemnation of punishment for homosexuality
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3. Cessation of the Church’s interference in guaranteeing human rights by democratic states
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4. Canceling incompetent and prejudicial documents
We demand the Pope revise the Catechism and repeal all the cruel documents that are incompetent to deal with the issue of homosexual persons, who are the object both of the Church’s compassion and stigmatization — in particular, the documents of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the heir to the Holy Inquisition. Unacceptable documents include:
a) the declaration Persona Humana from 1975, [let’s all make sure to re-read it!] discussing among other things the “pathological constitution” of homosexual persons, which by their nature supposedly “have difficulty adjusting socially” and carry an “disorder” that “without the necessary and significant adjustment” is considered a “depravity”;
b) Letter on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons of 1986, [an excellent, thoughtful and charitable document] which calls for “compassion” for homosexuals, who “suffer” from same-sex attraction, and which accepts the existence of “fair discrimination” against homosexuals and rejects only “unjust discrimination” against them;
c) the outrageous Considerations Concerning the Response to Legislative Proposals on the Non-Discrimination of Homosexual Persons in 1992; [Find it HERE]
d) Considerations Regarding Proposals to Legalize Unions Between Homosexual Persons from 2003, [Find it HERE] according to which homosexuality is “devoid of any genuine affective maturity,” and homosexual relationships are devoid of any “human and ordered form of sexual relations”;
e) the Catechism of the Church Catholic, sections 2357–2359, teaches that not only same-sex acts but also homosexual orientation are “objectively disordered.” It also emphasizes that by nature, homosexuals have no emotional complementarity with other human persons they love. And it adds that for most of us orientation is a difficult experience requiring compassion toward our neighbor, but not without avoiding just discrimination. How does the Church know what is our suffering and difficulty? Well, it is not sexual orientation, but homophobia from the Church. Learning via the Catechism is offensive, apart from the fact that the very definition of homosexuality is deficient, if not quite false. The analysis of the situation of homosexual persons is also deficient.
5. Immediate cancellation of discriminatory instructions about denying the priesthood to homosexual persons
We demand that the Pope immediately abolish regrettable instructions about refusing the ordination of homosexuals, endorsed by Pope Benedict XVI in 2005. [I say STRENGTHEN IT NOW! Find it HERE]
6. Initiate a serious interdisciplinary scientific reflection over the morality of human sexuality
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7. Revision of the interpretation of biblical texts on homosexuality
We demand that the Church treat seriously the question of its own interpretation of the Bible, freeing itself of fundamentalism, noting verses that talk about homosexual people, never condemning them, and contextualizing biblical texts that address homogenital acts.
8. Adoption of ecumenical dialogue with our Lutheran and Anglican brothers about homosexuality
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9. The need to ask for forgiveness toward homosexuals
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10. Respect for and belief in homosexuals and change in the distorted position of the Church on what a homosexual Christian life should look like
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Text of “Gazeta Wyborcza” received from Fr. Christopher Charamsy via Vox Cantoris. Translation slightly edited for clarity.
Interview Transcript:
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Msgr. Charamsa is expected to give a press conference on Saturday at noon in Rome. [Link to Corriere della sera – the conference was held in a restaurant]
The Holy See has reacted by firing this priest from his position at the CDF and his teaching jobs.
From the Bollettino today:
Traduzione in lingua inglese
With regard to the declarations and interview given by Msgr. Krzystof Charamsa it should be observed that, notwithstanding the respect due to the events and personal situations, and reflections on the issue, the decision to make such a pointed statement on the eve of the opening of the Synod appears very serious and irresponsible, since it aims to subject the Synod assembly to undue media pressure. Msgr. Charamsa will certainly be unable to continue to carry out his previous work in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical universities, while the other aspects of his situation shall remain the competence of his diocesan Ordinary.
[01621-EN.01] [Original text: Italian – working translation]
There is no way that recent news items did not play a role in precipitating this coming out party.
This priest is now done … as a priest. His ordinary gets to deal with him now.
The sodomites are emboldened. I suspect that this will sooner or later break out in violent demonstrations and protests.
Now more than ever, bishops need to make sure that their seminarians are heterosexual and clear about the Church’s teachings, especially about the pastoral care of homosexual persons.
Moreover, I suggest to priests and bishops that they increase their situational awareness, even with specialized training, and secure their residences and increase security at their parishes and institutions.
I wish that we had Archbishop Sheen with us today.
Thanks, Salvation. You’re very kind.
I stand corrected then, on that. My point was simply that the abuse belongs to history that is distant by now, contrary to the Protestant superstition about the Holy Church not being capable of internal reform.
If the RCC was capable of reform, why hasn’t it purged all gays from its ranks by now? Why instead do we have an open, active sodomite working inside the Vatican, and in doctrine no less?
“Essentially all of my parish priests were gay.”
It’s just so strange to hear that. None of the priests at the parishes I attended in my youth were as far as anyone could tell - especially the married one! If he was gay, his wife would have known!
Because the gay in question was closeted?
Why don’t you worry about your own religion?
Ping to my post #40
Abuse instances peaked in 1978-81 or so according to the John Jay report. The instances of abuse rose steeply through the sexual revolution in the early 60s and fell just as fast after the late 70s peak.
The terrible level of abuse solved itself, no thanks to any discipline bishops or the Pope did as far as I can tell. It seems like it was simply a matter of post-sexual revolution gay men not becoming priests, and older abusing priests getting old and dying and not being replaced. Why become priests when the greater culture accepts it and you don’t have to hide anything? I bet there are way fewer gay priests now, at least in the civilized West, than in 1950. And I bet gay priests were much likelier to abuse after the sexual revolution.
Freegards
He has already been fired from all of his positions.
Read the article.
All your posting does is point out that whether Catholic or Protestant, the leadership in both groups has a serious problem with dealing with sexual sin. The Protestants however are often very quick to expose it, not try to cover it up and then have their erring members prosecuted! The more independent the group, the faster it gets exposed because those groups aren’t linked together the same way the Episcopalians or Lutherans are(who can shift erring ministers around)!
I say again, like a life of celibacy would make a HEALTHY heterosexual male want to have sex with young boys. . .no healthy heterosexual male would turn queer because of celibacy. . .if that wasn’t the case, then a lot of high school boys would be prancing and dancing queers. . .
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