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Orthodox belief in G-d and faith is spreading - got a problem with that?
Forward ^ | 8/29/2015 | Mordechai Lightstone

Posted on 09/06/2015 3:58:19 AM PDT by NetAddicted

Reading two recent breathless headlines in the Forward, it would seem that Judaism, at least as practiced in America, is somehow in mortal danger of being co-opted and radically changed by Orthodox Jewry.

(Excerpt) Read more at forward.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Judaism
KEYWORDS: chareidi; judaism
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Interesting article, but I had trouble with some of his suppositions.
1 posted on 09/06/2015 3:58:20 AM PDT by NetAddicted
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To: NetAddicted

Better to use the word “conservative”.


2 posted on 09/06/2015 4:02:47 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Biggirl

Conservative? I was just reading about the Conservative failure. The number of Orthodox Jews is growing greatly.


3 posted on 09/06/2015 4:10:12 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: NetAddicted
Glory to God Forever
4 posted on 09/06/2015 4:14:54 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: NetAddicted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgzlcdoI70I

Ufaratzta - You Shall Spread Out


5 posted on 09/06/2015 5:08:43 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (I paid for an argument, but you're just contradicting!)
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To: NetAddicted

I would rather have them become Christians.


6 posted on 09/06/2015 5:46:24 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: NetAddicted

The Leftist Jews are simply freaking out at the demographic shift since they’re hardly having any children and the Orthodox are having many more both in America as well as Israel.

Before you know it there won’t be anymore atheist, humanist, agnostic, Reform, Conservative, or Reconstructionist Jews. In the meantime they’ll keep pressing the attack on God-fearing, observant, Orthodox Jews in order to vilify and assassinate their character. Then again that’s all the Left knows how to do.


7 posted on 09/06/2015 6:14:44 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: vladimir998

“I would rather have them become Christians.”

Would you convert Jesus to Christianity if he was here today?


8 posted on 09/06/2015 6:15:51 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“Would you convert Jesus to Christianity if he was here today?”

I wouldn’t have to since He already believes He is the Lord and Savior and acts accordingly. Your question makes no sense.


9 posted on 09/06/2015 6:23:30 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Jack, just to be clear, I - if it were within my power - would convert every single man, woman and child to Christianity. I want every human being to know, love and serve Jesus Christ. If that means Judaism as a religion were to disappear - along with Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Jainism, paganism, atheism and every other ‘ism’ - that would be just fine with me. I would not shed a single tear. I would not consider the end of those practices, beliefs and traditions to be worth even a moment’s thought.

If you don’t understand why or how I can say that, then you don’t understand who Christ is or why He matters.


10 posted on 09/06/2015 6:31:33 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

Not sure if you are aware of this or not, but he was an Orthodox Jew, had black hair and an olive-skinned complexion, studied Torah, spoke Hebrew and Aramaic, went to synagogue, celebrated the Jewish holidays, and ate kosher food (rules out the pork). If he was here today he would be doing the same thing.

In light of those facts would you still try to convert him to a religion that didn’t even exist during his time on Earth?


11 posted on 09/06/2015 6:31:58 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: vladimir998

Why do you want to convert everyone to a religion that Christ didn’t even practice?


12 posted on 09/06/2015 6:32:49 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Not sure if you are aware of this or not, but he was an Orthodox Jew, had black hair and an olive-skinned complexion, studied Torah, spoke Hebrew and Aramaic, went to synagogue, celebrated the Jewish holidays, and ate kosher food (rules out the pork). If he was here today he would be doing the same thing.

And he would still be considered a heretic by Jews. Jesus died and rose again. Belief in same is the demarcation. That leap of faith is the inflection point between Jew.0 and Jew.01 (Christian) . Either His heresy was the Truth, or it was just heresy. It is illogical to say that Jesus was an Orthodox Jew, if he was viewed as a heretic by same.

I personally don't care what I'm called. Christian, Jew.01, Papist, Kryster, Biblethumper, Happy Clappy...all that matters is that Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And I believe that salvation is open to anybody willing to take that leap of faith.

13 posted on 09/06/2015 6:47:04 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Cruz or Lose 2016)
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What ever you want to believe about him is fine with me!


14 posted on 09/06/2015 8:17:09 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Convert Him? Oy! He’s the One who converted me!


15 posted on 09/06/2015 8:17:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God works all things for the good for those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Hey, Jesus! Welcome to Christianity and have a ham sandwich!


16 posted on 09/06/2015 8:20:55 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
This line of discussion does lead to the interesting question of whether God is a Jew.

I would say No. But He's not a Gentile either. He simply has no human limitations; and "definiton" entails limitation.

17 posted on 09/06/2015 8:28:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God works all things for the good for those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Your deified rabbi certainly practiced and lived Judaism. And since you credit him with writing the Torah it would only make sense for him to follow it as a living, breathing Jewish example.


18 posted on 09/06/2015 8:33:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Jesus: תודה לך. But I'm already kinda full from the Baba ghanoush!
19 posted on 09/06/2015 8:35:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God works all things for the good for those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.)
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To: Biggirl
Better to use the word “conservative”.

No. "Conservative Judaism" (called "Masorti Judaism" outside the United States) is a liberal "branch of Judaism" like "Reform." "Conservative Jews" ordain women, endorse "gay rights," etc. Only Orthodox Judaism is Judaism proper.

20 posted on 09/06/2015 8:35:32 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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