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To: af_vet_1981
LOL! You are in error on two levels, yet it is likely impossible for you to comprehend your own errors:

1) You post a passage where Jesus refers to REWARDS, not eternal life. This alludes to the Bema Seat of Christ IN HEASVEN, so the ones spoken to regarding rewards are already IN eternal life.

"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

2) You were so intent on opposing the poster you made the smarmy mistake of assuming something not said ...
Iscool: Salvation is by grace alone. Only if you have faith without any works of any kind...
af_vet_1981: False, once more demonstrating the folly of man made doctrines formed in rebellion(Calvinism, OSAS, Sola Scriptural). in typical, arrogant catholic style you fail to see that 'if someone is born from above and has no works to show for it, due to sudden death or other circumstance, being born from above is still the Truth of that soul's destiny and they have eternal life despite not having any works to get rewarded.

Perhaps your problem is confusing eternal life as a reward (as if you could strive to earn it), when God NEVER makes that assertion on your behalf, because to put eternal life in that posture it would be an earned destiny, which God tells you is ONLY your by His Grace not your works.

Additionally, it is ONLY the works in life that are sourced in God's Holy Spirit on your behalf that are scheduled for the rewards ceremony IN HEAVEN, works done by you among those Jesus told you 'when you do it for the least you have done this for Me.'

So your error is two-fold, assuming something that was not said by Iscool, and missing the TRUTH of the meaning of rewards.

But don'e beat yourself up over this double whammy, we ALL have doene the same conclusion jumping from time to time.

267 posted on 08/28/2015 7:08:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
You post a passage where Jesus refers to REWARDS, not eternal life.

One who does not see eternal life in the passage did not read it, cannot read it, will not read it, or is spiritually blinded and cannot spiritually discern it. Read it slowly, verse by verse. Pretend it was not posted by a Catholic if that helps. It is more important that one not publicly add to, or take away from, the words in the prophecy.

270 posted on 08/28/2015 7:33:13 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: MHGinTN
Catholics confuse the effect of faith, that being holiness, with being its cause. Thus one begins his journey in the Catholic salvation system with becoming good enough to be with God (even though due to a remaining sinful nature which cannot be made subject to God, baptism does not remove all character defects, with attachment to sin, making one perfect in character, which purgatory is said to be needed for) via sprinkling=-regeneration=infused charity=sanctification= justification (as if Abraham became born again when God counted his faith for righteousness in Gn. 15:6, or the penitent publican in Lk. 18 or the contrite criminal in Lk. 23).

And with practical sanctification as the cause for justification and perfection of character (nothing unclean) necessary to be with God, thus the baptized who dies in grace must suffer "purifying torments" in order to enter Heaven.

"...we will go to Purgatory first, and then to Heaven after we are purged of all selfishness and bad habits and character faults." Peter Kreeft, Because God Is Real: Sixteen Questions, One Answer, p. 224

ones who will go directly to heaven are the ones who have already shed every last trace of self-love left in their hearts...Their hearts are left with nothing but pure love for Christ. -http://stillcatholic.com/CATHPurg.htm

We also see that those who are “born again” not only receive the state of grace, but also a complete remission of the temporal punishment due to their sins. That’s what the Sacrament of Baptism gives. That’s why those who are “born again” go straight to Heaven if they die immediately after baptism. - http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/baptism_salvation.php

If one were to die immediately after Baptism, he would go straight to Heaven (assuming one presents no obstacles). - https://www.fisheaters.com/baptism2.html; https://ourladyporingland.wordpress.com/sacraments/baptism/

Of course, in Scripture it is on Christ's account, not because he is practically good enough, that one is justified by faith and has direct access now to God in prayer, and will be with the Lord at death or His return.

More on that here where i said,

Man could not and would not believe on the Lord Jesus or follow Him unless God gave him life, and breath, and all good things he has, (Acts 17:25) and convicted him, (Jn. 16:8) drew him, (Jn. 6:44; 12:32) opened his heart, (Acts 16:14) and granted repentance (Acts 11:18) and gave faith, (Eph. 2:8,9) and then worked in him both to will and to do of His good pleasure the works He commands them to do. (Phil. 2:13; Eph. 2:10)

Thus man owes to God all things, and while he is guilty and rightly damned for resisting God contrary to the level of grace given him, (Prov. 1:20-31; Lk. 10:13; 12:48; Rv. 20:11-15) man can not claim he actually deserves anything, and God does not owe him anything but damnation, except that under grace — which denotes unmerited favor — God has chosen to reward faith, (Heb. 10:35) in recognition of its effects.

Which means that God justifies man without the merit of any works, which is what Romans 4:1-7ff teaches, with “works of the law” including all systems of justification by merit of works, “for, if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.” (Galatians 3:21)

Thus the penitent publican and the contrite criminal, both of whom abased themselves as damned and destitute sinner and cast all their faith upon the mercy of God (which ultimately is Christ), were justified, and as such could go directly to be with the Lord at death, even before they did any manifest works of faith. But works justify one as being a believer, and fit to be rewarded under grace for such, (Mt. 25:30-40; Rv. 3:4) though only because God has decided to reward man for what God Himself is actually to be credited for.

301 posted on 08/28/2015 11:10:18 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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