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Hating Catholics–America’s ONLY Accepted Prejudice
http://shoebat.com/2014/04/12/hating-catholics-americas-accepted-prejudice/ ^ | April 12, 2014 | Walid Shoebat

Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

I recall when I got scorned for attacking homosexuality on my blog with a comment that said, “You are a homophobe, do you not know that God loves everyone including homosexuals,” in which I answered with, “do you not know that God loves everyone including the homophobe?”

Indeed, we say “God loves everyone,” including, but not limited to; heretics, pedophiles, hemophiliacs, sodomites, lesbians, murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug pushers and every mutant from the pit of hell, except, of course, the legalist and the Pharisee, that is, the good old Catholic Church.

y now, objectors who read so far what I wrote here will only pull out a Tommy machinegun and begin to spray all the high-caliber bullets at the comment section of my blog to write: “Catholics are legalists,” “the Pope kissed the Quran,” “they worship Mary,” “they pray to saints” …

May I say that a bigot is recognized when he avoids the question at hand by always changing the subject.

The God of love, does He not love the legalist, the Pharisee and even the bigot? Does He then not also love the Catholic?

The issue is not an issue of “Love”, but that “Love” is always used to obstruct correction and reproof. Such “Love” is nothing more than hate. I always keep my eyes out for a mind that reverses everything.

The issue is an issue of SLANDER.

Slandering Catholics is the ONLY accepted prejudice in America.

Exposing Sodomite behavior in America is prejudice, but slandering the Vatican is not?

The Vatican has been slandered for centuries without a shred of biblical evidence. They call it the Harlot of Babylon, the killers of the saints, the woman drunk with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus Christ. And for historic evidence they say that the Catholic Church eliminated the Manichaeans, Arians, Cathars, Priscillianists, Paulicians, Bogomiles and Albigensians. But can anyone quote a single historian who confirms or proves that these groups were Bible believing Christians? Yet thousands of books were written slandering Catholics for eliminating these while elevating such heretics as the true Bible believing Christians.(For more on this read my article Drinking the Blood of Saints)

But instead of answering such a simple question, I get machine-gunned every time by changing the subject; but what about all these pedophilia cases? It is true that there is a major mess to clean in any Christian circle, but may I say: let the denomination that has no such sin cast the first stone. Sexual sins and deviancies are equally spread in all denominations.

But does such issues entitle us to only focus on what is wrong with the Catholic while ignoring what is wrong with Protestants? Even Jesus, while he reprimanded the institution of His time for its corruption, He never eliminated its authority over the flock.

And what about the Pharisee? Did the New Testament hate Pharisees? And how could we say that Judaism is legalistic just because individual Pharisees were challenging Jesus by using the Law to trap, discredit and accuse Him of heresy? Can this be applied to all the Pharisees in general or the Jews collectively?

Why then do we use the term “Pharisee” as a dreaded label of scorn and insult?

In the Bible, we can find verses where God condemns Israel. But is that a blanket statement to condemn them for eternity? If so, what then do we do with verses in which God honors Israel? Condemning the Jews for eternity is a sign of bigotry and prejudice. I see many Catholics who hate Israel. Evangelicals by large have done a much better job than Catholics in recognizing and supporting Israel.

When it comes to the Pharisee, Jesus spoke of the “righteousness of the Pharisees”. Was Jesus degrading the righteousness of the Pharisees, or was He simply setting up the standard, that unless we are perfect, we couldn’t enter the Kingdom, for even if we kept the law as good as the Pharisee, these do not equip a man for the beatific vision of God’s essence? This of course, can never be attained until the end when God accomplishes in us His plan after we are purged from all sin.

Nicodemus was a righteous Pharisee and so was Gamaliel, Paul’s teacher, the grandson of Hillel and the founder of a dominant school of the Pharisees, a major branch of Judaism. It was Gamaliel (a Pharisee) whom God chose to save the apostles from death and opposed the apostles’ execution. Josephus and some Talmudic works also mention Gamaliel, the Pharisee, describing him as a benevolent and brilliant man. William Barclay states:

“He was a kindly man with a far wider tolerance than his fellows. He was, for instance, one of the very few Pharisees who did not regard Greek culture as sinful. He was one of the very few to whom the title ‘Rabban’ had been given. Men called him ‘The Beauty of the Law.’ When he died it was said, ‘Since Rabban Gamaliel died there has been no more reverence for the Law; and purity and abstinence died out at the same time.'” (The Daily Study Bible Commentary, Bible Explorer software.)

In fact, Christianity, and by extension, Catholicism was derived from the Pharisaical tradition of Judaism. In reality, when we compare Catholics and Protestants today in light of ancient times, it was the sola-scriptura Sadducees who rejected all authoritative oral teaching and were considered the theological liberals of that time. Even the New Testament records the first Christians were Pharisees (Acts 15:5, Philippians 3:5), but never once mentions Christian Sadducees.

Having few children by using birth control is the practice of liberals. Why would many Evangelicals support birth control is beyond me. Yet both religious Jews and Catholics see such practice as going against God’s plan. I agree 100%. God after all said to be, “fruitful and multiply”. My wife Maria put up with me for over two decades because she was brought up Catholic and to her marriage was a holy sacrament.

I have always believed that there are anti-Semites regardless of denomination. However, it is not true that Catholicism is anti-Semitic. Catholic Jim Blackburn from Catholic Answers in his article “Do You Know Jesus” explains that Christianity stems from Judaism, which is the official stand of the Catholic Church. Jim explains Paul:

“Paul said: “My manner of life from my youth, spent from the beginning among my own nation and at Jerusalem, is known by all the Jews. They have known for a long time, if they are willing to testify, that according to the strictest party of our religion I have lived as a Pharisee. And now I stand here on trial for hope in the promise made by God to our fathers. (Acts 26:4-6)”

Paul does not denounce the religion of Judaism here. He clearly recognizes that it is from this religion, which Christianity sprang. And he does not view Christianity as a new religion but, rather, as the fulfillment of the promise of Judaism. It is a continuation of—not a break from—Judaism. And in this continuation it does not throw off its religious aspect. (Ibid)

We always attribute to Catholics as the prime example of a legalist; they after all believe that they can earn or merit God’s approval by performing the requirements of the law, they neglect mercy, are ignorant of the grace of God and are so focused on the obedience to the law; the Catholic preeminent principle of redemption is not “by faith alone in God’s grace”.

Was the Catholic unsaved just because he believed in sola gratia (by grace alone) as Trent decreed, the justified “increase in that justice which they have received through the grace of Christ” by means of “faith co-operating with good works,” which uses the phrase of the Council and that of Saint James?

Fact is, the Catholic Church condemns anyone who attempts to justify himself “by his own works”:

“Canon I. If any one says that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ—let him be anathema.”

The Council of Trent even elaborates:

“We are therefore said to be justified freely, because that none of those things which precede justification—whether faith or works—merit the grace itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace.”

Is this teaching an anathema? For how long must we continue slandering? Even the Jewish faith, King David broke the law and was not saved by keeping it, yet he was nevertheless saved. David was a repentant servant of God. Calling Catholics legalists came from Martin Luther who drew this view from reading the correspondence between the Judaizers of Paul’s days and applied it to the Roman Catholics of his.

George Foote Moore and Claude Montefiore protested that Judaism was not legalistic, and that such a view of Judaism was a distortion of Jewish documentary sources.

Indeed, if biblical Judaism was legalistic, how could God then provide salvation to the Jews of the Old Testament? How could God be arbitrary selecting Israel as His plan for salvation if they were legalists? (See Claude G. Montefiore, “Judaism and St. Paul (London: Max Goschen, 1914).

And here comes my biggest dilemma: during my two-decade walk in many American churches, it was as if all the battles, struggles and martyrdoms, which the Catholic Church endured from the Muslims for over millennia was simply written off by my evangelical friends. These sold such wealth of Catholic history as Judas sold Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.

It’s heart breaking.

In two decades, I have never heard a mention of the contribution of Catholics fighting Islam in the battles of Poitiers, Lepanto and Vienna.

My struggle with so many anti-Catholics began when I pointed to the rich history of the Catholic struggles with Islam. To these, it didn’t matter that millions of Catholics and Eastern Orthodox were martyred under Islam’s scimitar; Islam to them was simply the ‘cleansing agent’ of Catholic heretics. I could not understand how could such a movement that is pro-Jew, yet be so anti-Catholic?

I slowly began to realize that in America being anti-Catholic is America’s ONLY Acceptable Prejudice.

Even historians agree, slandering Catholics, as John Highham described it is:

“the most luxuriant, tenacious tradition of paranoiac agitation in American history,” (Jenkins, Philip (1 April 2003). The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice. Oxford University Press. p. 23)

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Sr. has called Anti-Catholicism “the deepest-held bias in the history of the American people”. (“The Coming Catholic Church”. By David Gibson. HarperCollins: Published 2004.)

Indeed. America is a nation that isolates racism and addresses skin-color and gender as the only definition for racism, so much so, even though they exercise the least of this type of racism than any other nation on earth, yet they discuss racism more than any other nation on earth.

We even have come a long way in combating anti-Semitism to soon forget quickly the horrors of Nazism. We still openly denounce skinheads and neo-Nazis, yet when it comes to the slander of Catholicism and Catholics, America is not only silent, but also is still a major participant.

Bible believing Christians who are Anti-Catholics need to answer one question: why only Catholicism unites all haters? Why when it comes to Catholicism, they are all united; liberals, atheists, Mormons, feminists, Satanists, Scientologists, Jehova’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Advantists, Uniterians, Moslems and so many Bible believing Christians officially and doctrinally are all anti-Catholic? It is time that Evangelical Bible believing Christians be removed from this equation.

But perhaps I need to exercise an American tradition; I should have prequalified my statement and say that: I am not saying that protestants and evangelicals are all anti-Catholic, by God no, yet every time I praised Catholics, I found so many pin-pointing the leaven of the Pharisees without looking into the piles of heretical books written by so-called evangelicals who do much worse than the Pope kissing the Quran or that Nostra Aetate praised Islam. Yet even Pope Benedict criticized Nostra Aetate. I too hate some of what I see in Nostra Aetate and Second Vatican and find so many devils within the Catholic Church.

But is the Catholic rich history such an evil subject that warrants ignoring Catholic wars with Islam and that during Nazism, there were many more of these precious Catholics that chose to die in Hitler’s ovens than there were wonderful Protestants? It is a fact of history that Catholics lead any other religion in rescuing the highest numbers of Jews during Nazi Germany. Are all these Catholics damned to hell despite making a choice to enter Hitler’s furnace and save Jews? Which of the two is more pleasing to God, the evangelical health and wealth televangelist or the Jew loving Catholic who died in the infernos of Hitler’s crematoria?

From top preachers in America, we can see the terrible trend. John MacArthur, who is esteemed as a formidable and excellent Calvinist theologian, made a sermon in which he agreed with Charles Spurgeon when he declared that he would rather be called a devil than a priest, and that the Catholic Church is worse than Satan himself. MacArthur, in agreement with the statement, proclaimed the quote in his presentation:

“Call yourself a priest, sir! I wonder men are not ashamed to take the title: when I recollect what priests have done in all ages–what priests connected with the church of Rome have done, I repeat what I have often said: I would rather sooner a man pointed at me in the street and called me a devil, than called me a priest; for bad as the devil has been, he has hardly been able to match the crimes, cruelties, and villainies which have been transacted under the cover of a special priesthood.” (Macarthur on Youtube, http://youtu.be/7WbF-BZxu6s)

Christian author and conspiracy theorist Mark Dice stated:

“The Catholic Church, the popes, and bishops are basically the same as the Pharisees that Jesus denounced over 2000 years ago for their hypocrisy and their pride and arrogance due to their spiritual knowledge.” (The Vatican, Modern Day Pharisees, MarkDice.com)

Another evangelical author, S. Mason describes the Catholic Church as:

“The Pope declares the Catholic hierarchy to be the only ones allowed to interpret scriptures. Therefore, they elevate themselves as the Scribes and Pharisees of the Temple. Think on how Jesus described them HYPOCRITES! He described them as painted white sepulchers, looking god on the outside but smelling with the stench of death on the inside and filled with dead men’s bones.” (Mason S. Religion the Great Harlot in the Devil’s Playground, P.p. 81)

For more information refuting such accusations see [here] and [here]

Anti-Catholics simply transferred the term “Pharisee” from the Jew to the Catholic. Indeed, hating Catholics and Pharisees is America’s ONLY Accepted Prejudice.


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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
It's a simple question. What does the Word say Abraham did to be saved? You may check out Hebrews 11 also.

. No ccc needed.

81 posted on 08/26/2015 1:52:08 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Again, what is your point?


82 posted on 08/26/2015 2:10:32 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.


83 posted on 08/26/2015 2:30:14 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

But what is "belief"? It's not just simple intellectual assent, because "even the demons believe, and shudder."

Works are the other side of the faith/works coin.

"You will know them by what they do." --Jesus

"If you love me, keep my commandments." --Jesus

"Faith without works is dead." --James 2

And faith/works is a gift of grace.

84 posted on 08/26/2015 2:37:45 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: NKP_Vet
Yesterday, I took over some special groceries for my friend Mary, in her 80s. I've known her and her son Mike, for over 20 years.

I bought computer stuff from Mike, and finally worked for him in his shop for several years, as well as sold him redeployed computer parts, printers, monitors, etc. While I was over there Mary made me ad her son cottage cheese-filled pancake Polish turnovers topped with cherry pie filling, and boy, that was good! She loves to cook, and so do I.

We've spent hours talking over our recipes, and I've taken over my special things for them. Mike always gave me computer problems he couldn't solve, and many times my PhD tenacity and persistence on such fixes gained his shop great favor with his customer base.

I've shared my fundamental Christian doctrines with them over the years, and demonstrated (as yesterday with Mike0 what the Bible has to say about many things their "faith" has not shown them. Mike is well-tuned to his Catechism, but hates the Catholic manifestation he has experienced since Vatican II. A great fan of the SSPX efforts, he and his mom used to go about 49 miles to a church following the old ways, until the overseers scotched that. You could stand on his porch and throw a tennis ball and hit the parochial school across the street, but they never go to the church in the next block to which the school is attached.

Over the 20+ years, some of our theological arguments have been gargantuan in size and heat. He gets extremely angry when I show what his DRB version says, and how it shows up the multiple disagreements his Catechism has with it. He simply cannot believe that one is saved by faith alone, and resents it when I show him what Romans 1:17 has to say about it. In most things, he knows his Cathechism, but has never shown even the most cursory familiarity with the contents of his Bible.

I hate his theology, and pray that he and Mary can come to know the True Jesus of the Bible who saved me. I would like to have them fall in love with my Heavenly Father, and not just the rituals of a religion that does not and cannot save.

As long as we remain on earth, we will be friends and neighbors, but I fear for their end.

And as far as I am concerned, Shoebat's attempt to equate humans with, and inseparable from, their false religion is a very foolish and reprehensible attack on non-Catholics.

85 posted on 08/26/2015 2:46:47 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; MHGinTN; ealgeone

http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct06.html

Canon 9. If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.

Canon 19. If anyone says that nothing besides faith is commanded in the Gospel, that other things are indifferent, neither commanded nor forbidden, but free; or that the ten commandments in no way pertain to Christians, let him be anathema.

Canon 24. If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema.

Canon 27. If anyone says that there is no mortal sin except that of unbelief, or that grace once received is not lost through any other sin however grievous and enormous except by that of unbelief, let him be anathema.


86 posted on 08/26/2015 2:52:40 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; ealgeone

Abraham was justified BEFORE he did any works.

Scripture declares that Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness, and way back at the very beginning when God promised Abraham that his descendants would cover the earth, YEARS before it happened.


87 posted on 08/26/2015 2:54:52 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Yes. We are to follow Him and produce fruit for the Kingdom. But the faith produces the fruit.....not the other way around.

Our salvation is promised if we believe He died for us. At that moment of profession of faith we are sealed by the Holy Spirit.

I agree it's not just saying, yeah I believe and then you go home and produce no fruit.

I don't think you'll find any believer in Christ who believes this.

We are to be about His business.

88 posted on 08/26/2015 2:55:41 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; St_Thomas_Aquinas

Yes, we will produce new fruit because it’s in the new nature to do so.

We don’t do it to prove that we’re saved.

It just happens.

It’s the natural outworking of the new Spirit life within us.

That’s why if it doesn’t happen someone needs to evaluate whether they’re really saved or not.

There’s a danger in depending on works to the extent that many religions do. They have the intellectual assent and then try to do good works, thinking that they are needed to *complete* their salvation somehow.

Adding good works to intellectual assent does NOT save anyone.

Only saving faith, which produces good works and a changed heart and mind, saves.

There’s another factor. Many people have the good works part down, but never have the manifestation of a changed heart and mind.

Salvation is not merely a matter of saying that you believe in God and are able to produce your checklist of works done. It’s a far deeper work in the heart and mind of the believer.

What we consider good works are merely the shallow outward manifestation of what has happened in the heart.

I’m convinced that the best and most meaningful good works that we do, are the ones we don’t even consciously do. The things that we just do without thinking or planning and then later find out what it meant to the person you did them too. The ones where self is not involved.


89 posted on 08/26/2015 3:02:47 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation
You talk about the nicknames for non-Catholics

No, I mentioned some of the derogatory condescending words used to describe non Catholics.

Perhaps you would like to comment on the meat of my post, instead of just cherry picking the one comment you can safely speak about.

Here are my other comments, in case you didn't read my whole post:

... (non Catholics) started posting threads exposing the non-Scriptural non-Biblical aspects of the teachings of Catholicism.

Some examples being that if you are baptized Catholic (by the way, no one is "baptized" into any denomination) you are "marked", ie that is branded, for life as a Catholic and you stay a Catholic all your life and you cannot leave to become a Christian instead.

Also that to be saved and go to heaven everyone must "come back" to the OTC (One True Church) or they are not legitimate Christians and are not part of the body of Christ.

Or do you not believe those non scriptural comments are true as Christians know they aren't?
90 posted on 08/26/2015 3:13:16 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: Mark17

Yeah so much for Jim’s warning about bashing. This article is like a batter daring a pitcher to bean them:)

In other words it’s click bait.


91 posted on 08/26/2015 3:21:07 PM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: NKP_Vet
Then you have 100,000 or more “Christian” anti-Biblical sects. Learn to live with it.

100,000 now! Wow! Why don't you just settle on one number.

92 posted on 08/26/2015 3:22:41 PM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: metmom
Just finishing an in depth lesson on Galatians. Paul drives home these exact points.

The one that jumped out to me was the warning against practicing works of unrighteousness and for those who do.....will not inherit the Kingdom.

That will make you evaluate your life. I call it a spiritual inventory review.

It really focuses you on being about His business.

93 posted on 08/26/2015 3:34:46 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998

No. It’s a lie.


94 posted on 08/26/2015 3:48:04 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: metmom

We agree. I’m happy about that.


95 posted on 08/26/2015 4:06:54 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: AppyPappy
You can hate any Christian organization except black churches.

That's true, but don't forget the Muzzies.

96 posted on 08/26/2015 4:23:49 PM PDT by Mark17 (How could anyone suspend himself upon a cross and die for me, die willingly, to set us free.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

“No. It’s a lie.”

Nope. And a surprising number of Protestants believe it too.


97 posted on 08/26/2015 4:32:34 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: metmom

“I know plenty of faith mass attending Catholics who are proudly liberal politically”

You think you know a pro-abort and queer “marriage” Catholic, when they don’t exist. It is impossible to be a believing Catholic and believe in murdering children and believe in Tom and Jerry getting married. What you do know are bunch of hypocrite cafeteria “Catholics” that give real Catholics a bad name, EXACTLY like abortion supporters and queer “marriage” supporters that attend many protestant churches give real believers a bad name. All will burn in the pits of hell when their day on this earth is over. No one spits in the face of God and gets to heaven. And I could care less what denomination the heretics might belong to.


98 posted on 08/26/2015 4:43:36 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', an 8th grade education,Ain't no need y'all treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet

Until your church deals with them, they are Catholics and you have no say in the matter, like it or not.

It’s not your call to make.


99 posted on 08/26/2015 4:45:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

“Break out the booze and LOOK OUT”.

Moses got drunker than hell.


100 posted on 08/26/2015 4:50:17 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', an 8th grade education,Ain't no need y'all treatin' me this way")
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