Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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Again, what is your point?
Whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
But what is "belief"? It's not just simple intellectual assent, because "even the demons believe, and shudder."
Works are the other side of the faith/works coin.
"You will know them by what they do." --Jesus
"If you love me, keep my commandments." --Jesus
"Faith without works is dead." --James 2
And faith/works is a gift of grace.
I bought computer stuff from Mike, and finally worked for him in his shop for several years, as well as sold him redeployed computer parts, printers, monitors, etc. While I was over there Mary made me ad her son cottage cheese-filled pancake Polish turnovers topped with cherry pie filling, and boy, that was good! She loves to cook, and so do I.
We've spent hours talking over our recipes, and I've taken over my special things for them. Mike always gave me computer problems he couldn't solve, and many times my PhD tenacity and persistence on such fixes gained his shop great favor with his customer base.
I've shared my fundamental Christian doctrines with them over the years, and demonstrated (as yesterday with Mike0 what the Bible has to say about many things their "faith" has not shown them. Mike is well-tuned to his Catechism, but hates the Catholic manifestation he has experienced since Vatican II. A great fan of the SSPX efforts, he and his mom used to go about 49 miles to a church following the old ways, until the overseers scotched that. You could stand on his porch and throw a tennis ball and hit the parochial school across the street, but they never go to the church in the next block to which the school is attached.
Over the 20+ years, some of our theological arguments have been gargantuan in size and heat. He gets extremely angry when I show what his DRB version says, and how it shows up the multiple disagreements his Catechism has with it. He simply cannot believe that one is saved by faith alone, and resents it when I show him what Romans 1:17 has to say about it. In most things, he knows his Cathechism, but has never shown even the most cursory familiarity with the contents of his Bible.
I hate his theology, and pray that he and Mary can come to know the True Jesus of the Bible who saved me. I would like to have them fall in love with my Heavenly Father, and not just the rituals of a religion that does not and cannot save.
As long as we remain on earth, we will be friends and neighbors, but I fear for their end.
And as far as I am concerned, Shoebat's attempt to equate humans with, and inseparable from, their false religion is a very foolish and reprehensible attack on non-Catholics.
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct06.html
Canon 9. If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
Canon 19. If anyone says that nothing besides faith is commanded in the Gospel, that other things are indifferent, neither commanded nor forbidden, but free; or that the ten commandments in no way pertain to Christians, let him be anathema.
Canon 24. If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema.
Canon 27. If anyone says that there is no mortal sin except that of unbelief, or that grace once received is not lost through any other sin however grievous and enormous except by that of unbelief, let him be anathema.
Abraham was justified BEFORE he did any works.
Scripture declares that Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness, and way back at the very beginning when God promised Abraham that his descendants would cover the earth, YEARS before it happened.
Our salvation is promised if we believe He died for us. At that moment of profession of faith we are sealed by the Holy Spirit.
I agree it's not just saying, yeah I believe and then you go home and produce no fruit.
I don't think you'll find any believer in Christ who believes this.
We are to be about His business.
Yes, we will produce new fruit because it’s in the new nature to do so.
We don’t do it to prove that we’re saved.
It just happens.
It’s the natural outworking of the new Spirit life within us.
That’s why if it doesn’t happen someone needs to evaluate whether they’re really saved or not.
There’s a danger in depending on works to the extent that many religions do. They have the intellectual assent and then try to do good works, thinking that they are needed to *complete* their salvation somehow.
Adding good works to intellectual assent does NOT save anyone.
Only saving faith, which produces good works and a changed heart and mind, saves.
There’s another factor. Many people have the good works part down, but never have the manifestation of a changed heart and mind.
Salvation is not merely a matter of saying that you believe in God and are able to produce your checklist of works done. It’s a far deeper work in the heart and mind of the believer.
What we consider good works are merely the shallow outward manifestation of what has happened in the heart.
I’m convinced that the best and most meaningful good works that we do, are the ones we don’t even consciously do. The things that we just do without thinking or planning and then later find out what it meant to the person you did them too. The ones where self is not involved.
No, I mentioned some of the derogatory condescending words used to describe non Catholics.
Perhaps you would like to comment on the meat of my post, instead of just cherry picking the one comment you can safely speak about.
Here are my other comments, in case you didn't read my whole post:
... (non Catholics) started posting threads exposing the non-Scriptural non-Biblical aspects of the teachings of Catholicism.Or do you not believe those non scriptural comments are true as Christians know they aren't?Some examples being that if you are baptized Catholic (by the way, no one is "baptized" into any denomination) you are "marked", ie that is branded, for life as a Catholic and you stay a Catholic all your life and you cannot leave to become a Christian instead.
Also that to be saved and go to heaven everyone must "come back" to the OTC (One True Church) or they are not legitimate Christians and are not part of the body of Christ.
Yeah so much for Jim’s warning about bashing. This article is like a batter daring a pitcher to bean them:)
In other words it’s click bait.
100,000 now! Wow! Why don't you just settle on one number.
The one that jumped out to me was the warning against practicing works of unrighteousness and for those who do.....will not inherit the Kingdom.
That will make you evaluate your life. I call it a spiritual inventory review.
It really focuses you on being about His business.
No. It’s a lie.
We agree. I’m happy about that.
That's true, but don't forget the Muzzies.
“No. It’s a lie.”
Nope. And a surprising number of Protestants believe it too.
“I know plenty of faith mass attending Catholics who are proudly liberal politically”
You think you know a pro-abort and queer “marriage” Catholic, when they don’t exist. It is impossible to be a believing Catholic and believe in murdering children and believe in Tom and Jerry getting married. What you do know are bunch of hypocrite cafeteria “Catholics” that give real Catholics a bad name, EXACTLY like abortion supporters and queer “marriage” supporters that attend many protestant churches give real believers a bad name. All will burn in the pits of hell when their day on this earth is over. No one spits in the face of God and gets to heaven. And I could care less what denomination the heretics might belong to.
Until your church deals with them, they are Catholics and you have no say in the matter, like it or not.
It’s not your call to make.
“Break out the booze and LOOK OUT”.
Moses got drunker than hell.
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